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BHP fans are too hardcore. I'm just gonna give up and join this crusade for rudimentary knowledge. Hey devs? Give us some banana splits please.

You're waving it off like it's nothing. We're waving it in your face telling you it's been a year with nothing to show for it. We're not asking for much, here, just transparency.

"Free" is not an excuse for broken promises. No matter what perspective you look at it. "Free" also isn't a barrier for criticism.

Whatever happened to the "weekly updates" that BHP kept promising? At best we usually get one blog every 3 - 5 months, and that's simply unacceptable. There is a serious lack of communication between BHP and the fans, and that is a major problem. Danpaul: We don't even need screenshots. We don't care if there's nothing to physically show. We just want something. Anything. Something at least every month that says 'Hi, we're still working!'. Something is always infinitely better than nothing, no matter how trivial that 'something' may seem. Even just a brief paragraph explaining what issues have been fixed recently and/or what is currently being worked on. We don't care if it's boring code or whatever. We still want to know what's going on, and it's wrong to keep the loyal fans in the dark like this. If I was on the Devteam, I can tell you with 100% certainty that I'd take the time to write a little devblog at least every month, so the fans know what's going on and that stuff is, in fact, being done. Communication and feedback are crucially important to the success of any project, and that's something that I and many others feel that BHP seriously lacks right now. Just my 2 cents.

Look, we've all followed these mods long enough to understand it's a hobby, that's it's freetime, that it's not a job and there's no obligation to appease us because hey, we're not paying you. But you should be obligated to uphold your own standards. BHP picked up this project and told us all it was in better hands. So far I have seen a lot of proclaimed changes to what Reborn was going to be- whether for better or worse remains to be seen because hey... You know what? We haven't actually seen anything. I may sound a bit harsh but when it comes down to it this place has engineered some fucked up methods of passing the blame around and making excuses where there are none. When shit stagnates this much it takes a lot more effort to pick up your tools and start pulling that huge rock back out of the swamp you let it sink into. Reborn went from essentially two team members to quite a few and to me that just means it's that much easier for people to not feel at fault for not "pulling their weight", for letting others do work when you've done nothing, or for throwing your hands up and saying "well they're not finished so why should I bother". If you guys don't feel obligated to pick up YEARS of work and actually do something to it, then this project needs to be put down respectably or passed on so that someone with a little more time and energy can breathe life into it again. Or atleast tell the community where the problems lie so that it might be able to be outsourced to people willing to help and get things rolling again. One reason why it pisses me off when this community tries to silence people or throw blame around in this regard is because it's my belief atleast that actually talking about the projects outside of your Dev-Team circlejerk might actually stimulate some interest in the project and actually motivate some fuckin' progress. As it is it seems like a simple goddamn blog is worse than pulling teeth, much less healthy communication. "Community". That's what this place is, or is supposed to be. Communities are supposed to build on eachother, breed new ideas and help sustain a feeling of worth in something that is so old and so underappreciated as these mods. But honestly all I can think of when I log into these forums is that there's a handful of people here who talk to eachother, sometimes testers who seem to have some sort of connection, but the majory of actual dev-team interactions are lost because the only place you guys actually communicate is amongst yourselves on some Teamspeak or IRC channel most people don't feel assed to go find. I lurked around here long before I was forced to come here in order to follow Reborn and it's never had the same sort of comfort or camaraderie the old Reborn Forums had- there's always been something off/wrong about this place. Mostly this ranting is triggered by what Nodfan said, "the more you and everyone ask, then the longer it will take." There's a certain particular apathy for progress bred by pride where the more people want something from you the less you want to do it. My advice- Get over it. The only thing I've ever argued here is that it should be seen that we're all in the same sinking ship together. So you can either sit in silence with your hand hanging tentatively over the intercom button, while all we ever hear are warning sirens and the gradually increasing rush of water threatening to suffocate us, or you can actually tell us what the fuck is going on. I should also put a disclaimer here- I hardly think the mod is dead. But it's clear there's either one of two things happening here- Serious lack of activity or serious communication issues, or one breeding the other.

Unless I'm missing something here, I fail to see how leaking a beta equates to broken code. I remember hearing something about his maps in particular having issues due to outdated stuff, but I think there's some missing info here, otherwise I'm just not getting it. As for "the more you ask for it, the longer it'll take to get it..." Allow me to point out what a load of bullshit that is. There were TWO blog posts in the entirety of last year, and one was just tester recruitment, the other featuring some models to show off and correct me if I'm wrong here, but regardless of how well they may have looked it probably hardly takes a weekend and a little boredom to produce enough content to have filled that blog. I'm tired of people making excuses for why there's no content to be posted- When it's been an entire year and there's only been one blog with a handful of screenshots, there is no excuse. It's about time someone takes responsibility for either gross negligence in communication with the remaining fanbase, or severe leadership incompetence.

the more you and everyone ask, then the longer it will take.

C'mon guys. Stop bitching. Free games are free. With these games, the makers are gonna release/post stuff when they feel it's ready to be fucking awesome. IMO, APB is pretty fucking awesome. So what if some promises are broken. I hate promises. I never promise anything, so I can save my own ass. To the devs, thank you so much for some cool shit. C&C was cool enough to motivate you guys to make some cool mods. Thank you, it is fun!

lol get over it. It's just a video game, a side project; it's not always at the forefront of the dev's lives.

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Enduar" data-cid="520226" data-time="1360408924"><p> You're waving it off like it's nothing. We're waving it in your face telling you it's been a year with nothing to show for it. We're not asking for much, here, just transparency. </p></blockquote> If you want them to "owe" you something, become a producer. Until then, the game is a free game; the creators are volunteers; and they have the freedom of not having to "owe" anybody anything. States' Rights.

Just because the developers haven't posted any blogs, that doesn't mean they're not working on the mod. That would be like saying all of the developers on moddb.com don't work on their mods, since most of them leave big gaps in their updates. And no, I won't go and eat some ice cream.

Compared to other communities, we are most definitely not "too hardcore." But we sure are patient and loyal.