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Uh just roll over and die scum

What about the colt, is it one time use? The Grenade has a very small chance to kill. And it can be passed around as you can see, so technically anyone could use it. In APB mafia we don't deal with passable items, every role has determined weapon and actions.

You are being a very aggressive player for one that is neutral. As a neutral, you should play a bit more quiet play, attack less and especially not act scummy. This is the most ridiculous plot I've heard in a long time in mafia game. How much it took you guys to forge it in the scum doc? And as for the grenade, it's certainly not to protect anyone. But I'll get to that later. According to the Irish role chart, we have too many scum roles and the list of suspected players is getting shorter. Claiming a role with no abilities at this point doesn't add up, at least you would counter claim another guys role. Also right after you said your theory about spyglass, Fraydo comes in claiming he has it. It's way too fitting. Almost like, I tell this, then you tell this... No matter if you thought that I'm scum or not (It was very unlikely in the first place as Retal and other s pointed out anyway due to circumstances), you were trying very hard to get me investigated, while the best course of action was to investigate Orange (for reasons we established). Voting me was basically totally anti town when Orange claimed a bodyguard. I believe the reason was that you wanted to see what I have or to simply protect the thievery deed of Orange. Yes now you don't have a problem, maybe because you cleared yourself of all items/evidence? Or simply to cause a distraction, once again, from Orange being investigated? Why not vote Orange ffs? .... To sum this up. I don't believe you are neutral for multiple reasons. According to the claims and possible warmonger roles, we have 3 warmongers on the lose, possibly even one more. With additional neutral, that would mean we have 60% or even 50% of town players, which is a pretty low number considering we can't even lynch/get rid of any confirmed scum while scum can already night kill. Your game meta suggest that you have hidden agenda, and definitely not just "stay low and survive" meta neutrals usually have. Last thing is the grenade. You claimed it was for protection but it's definitely not. It's a tool to block a player or outright kill him, it's basically an attack weapon. Why would a neutral guy require a grenade is beyond me. Speaking of which, I happen to have the grenade now, it's also due to your own actions. Want it back? Here, catch! ##GRENADE Killing_You Best case scenario we kill a scum, worst case scenario a useless "neutral" is out of the way and we can concentrate on other players. I can live with this. Also whoever gets nominated tomorrow may have the fun with the grenade in vault. It has 25% chance of kill, 60% chance of day action block.

You guys are so cute staging this argument, almost adorable.

Ok meanwhile I would like to hear from @Chaos_Knight & @FRAYDO to tell us as much about their evidence as possible. See if that help us somehow to understand it.

Well the evidence is the goal of this game, much like the backstories, interactions and goals in Death Note mafia. The evidence may not be tied to people directly, but it could be treated as a puzzle, where some do fit to the story, and some simply don't. As I theorized before, it's also possible that evidence is generated based on the actions people do, much like the suspicious levels are changing. Whether they turn into fake or not depends on the success of the actions or other interactions... I had no interactions with evidence yet so I don't know. That's why I would like to visit the vault this night to see for myself how this works. The best expert on evidence is you cat5, and it's also troubling, because we haven't fully verified you. Sometimes I have a feeling that I'm L and you are Light Acting friendly and supportive yet not telling full truth. But just like L I wish to believe you, so I was trying to get some more reactions from you.

But didn't you just claim that his evidence is fake? So is it possible that scum planted fake evidence on themselves?

Which makes KY 2nd suspect. So our scum team possibility is Fraydo, KY and Orange, provided all claims from Cat5 and Jeod were correct.

Also I'm pretty sure the thief is Orange now.

Ok reminder here. (sorry for my memory lost, it's 4 am now for me with two nights without sleep)

He was actually suspicious of you on pages 6-7, even voted for you. I wanted cat5 to re-confirm it, though. Oh well. Are you carrying evidence Retal btw? I have no such section btw. So Jeod didn't say what exactly? He seemed to be suspicious of Irish.

Can you remind me what the spyglass does? It's a tracking tool right? The problem with that claim is that we already have Jeod as tracker and CK (now confirmed by you via evidence). It just doesn't go together that town has 3 trackers. Or something is not adding up. I need some more info on this (I skipped two days and some other parts too due to time limits).

@Category 5 Hurricane @TheIrishman @FRAYDO @Killing You are you ready to claim your roles? It would make the puzzle more complete to determine scum team combinations.

The kill either never happened (scum can't do both actions at once, or is limited either way, or they chose not to do it), or it was blocked by Retal. I don't see a bus happening.

Ah I thought you meant thief suspect n.2 which didn't make sense for some people.

You should also add possible Target Switchers.

Exactly we need another testimony to figure this out.

Exactly. We may have one or two austro/hungarians as warmongers and one or two Serbs as Black Hand. That would make sense. This info could nail the last scum. This is something which I don't understand, and it's not making much sense. For now it's all Cat5's testimony until somebody can confirm these actions. Otherwise the bad guys are: Thief, Killer, Target Switcher, and even possibly tracker. We know Jeod was a tracker, so scum could have one too (ey CK? :P)

@TheIrishmanpls be a good boy and add to your table the possible roles based on all claims. Let's see who's what.

The only catch of all this is Cat5's testimony. He's the one that claims there is a thief (nobody else got their stuff stolen?) and now the recent action target switcher (nobody else got their targets switched?). So at some point we need to investigate Cat5 as well but for now we have Fraydo and Orange as biggest suspects.

We can now proclaim Fraydo as 100% scum and he's probably the one who switched your action's target.

Yea that would explain Fraydo and also why we have so many Serbs.

@Category 5 Hurricaneare you sure that CK's evidence was fake?

Well either nationalities do play a role or we have serbians undercovers.

I should remind you we're not completely clear on Cat5 yet, although he acts town and helps with numbers. But his whole claim about spyglass is somehow getting interesting. Also cat5 claimed Austrian, which according to retal might be the warmongers from (but I'm not completely sold on that since he went after Orange hard yesterday and even before).