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Guys, are we getting off topic with the APC discussion?
No one is worried about a powerful, decently armored, teleport almost anywhere tank messing up gameplay? In the hands of a good player, the CT will almost never die since they can just retreat if they time things well. There was a reason no C&C game since Ra1 has included a long range teleport unit for balance concerns (imagin a tanky unit that's microed well to retreat right before it gets destoryed).
If you ask me, the key problem lie with retreating and we need to prevent the CT from teleporting out of a battle anytime its health is low.
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Can we make Chornoshift range a function of CT's health? Full-health is 300m radius, half health 150m, quarter health 75m. This way, damaged CTs can't retreat too far.
Or is that too much coding changes for the staff?1 -
-People are extra cautious with the CT due to its price. Maybe if we decreased the price (we can even nerf the unit in exchange), people would be willing to take more risks?
@PushwallI don't suppose we can add a code that prevents the CT from chronoshifting within X seconds of taking regular/tesla damage? Or if it's below a certain amount of health?
- Or maybe the problem will just solve itself if Migs get introduced. The CT may run away at half health, but the Mig can hunt them down and kill it.
- Whatever changes you guys make, please remember the C&C rule of tank combat: No unit should ever win 1-on-1 versus a mammoth tank at full health.
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It has been ~2 weeks since this unit has been in play. I'm curious how do people like it so far?
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You guys remember the old Aftermath mission where you had to hop from island to island with 2 Chronotanks to take out the SAMs? I feel like that when I play the Chronotank these days. Great job dev team!
If only Shallow Grave is back, then we can get the CT onto the center island!
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I think we can either make him a dedicated long-range sieger (as discussed above), or a walking mammoth tank that doesn't do much against buildings - exterior or MCT. For the latter, we can try this:
- AT DPS is old Volkov, range is new increased range. (Allied vehicles FEAR him!)
- Get rid of Voktillery, so he does almost nothing to buildings.
- Keep the shotgun and nades, so he can still clear defending infantry.
- Use the molasses speed, so he can't run away from fights and run circles in the Allied base.
- Price should be ~$1,500, significantly more than other AT infantry.
- You can play around with his damage per shot to further differentiate him. Alpha strike is good, we can also do more damage per bullet but less ammo total so each "shot" carries a lot of power, but penalizes you for missing. Wnat to deal with fast Allied units? Maybe a shock is better.
This way, he doesn't hunt units, but forces everyone he comes into to "deal" with him. Great for spearheading an attack and absorbing enemy attention while the more fragile units do the real damage. Just like the mammoth tank.0 -
This way, ironically the best counter against Volkov will be Allied light vehicles, and also snipers. At long range, the kovtillery should still give artillery/demo trouble, and wear down Medium Tank over time. You should also make it that at VERY close range, the tri-shot can still do very good damage to all vehicles - it encourages Kov players to ambush! To discourage infantry CQC, maybe up his own vulnerability to his own nades a bit?
Lastly, I do worry people may point whore with him.0 -
How about just Kovtillery + nades? Long range anti-building/infantry, but NO Anti-Tank rounds or building infiltration ability, and give him his speed back. Want to kill tanks or hit MCTs? Better grab another unit. Long range building & infantry killing? Get a Volkov.
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Like the new changes. Just one thing, if Volkov is supposed to be the infantry equivalent of the Mammoth, he should have a harder time against fast and nimble units than say the Shock / TT, which is hit/scan. Maybe lower his ROF (but hold DPS constant) to make missed shots costly? This will further differentiate him from the shock.
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36 minutes ago, Pushwall said:
Don't let the spy do his rounds tbh. It's already not that hard to know that a spy exists, he needs some time to reach your base after being bought, and with this patch he is also much more fragile so the only "combat" he is really suited to is picking off the unaware from the shadows before they can notice him - if anyone is aware of his presence he is really easy to deal with. But even then, if there's a spy going around your base unmolested hitting up all the buildings because your entire team is on the front lines, then that means the Allies have one less tank/rocket/Tanya/whatever able to sit around and defend from whatever's coming their way. That was a pretty big problem with spies before - most of their contributions for their team were absolutely not worth giving up an extra combatant for, especially if the Allies are stuck on the defensive which is more likely when they have less manpower to push out to the field. Oh good, manifest says the Soviets have 5 mammoth tanks, we kinda already gathered that from their limited war factory purchase pool, would have much rather had a medium tank/rocket at home to actually deal with that! And if your base is completely empty so anyone wanting to infiltrate will have a field day, would you much rather that the infiltrator was a spy signaling your sneak attack, or a phase-thief destroying mines and stealing half your credits, or a phase-tanya or phase-engineer destroying a building?
I'd be open to maybe adding a slight delay for the hacking, but an absolute no to letting the Soviets know that they've been spotted. Soviets not knowing that is kind of the entire point.
You can't get airdrops with a relay. And if Allies want to get radar back, they have to render themselves one tank/tanya/rocket/other-inf-of-choice short for as long as it takes the spy to reach the enemy base, which on most dome maps is a fairly long time even if the spy is taking the shortest possible route which would almost certainly involve running past multiple Soviets, at least one of whom should recognise him.2I don't disagree with your point that having 1 player short is a big handicap to the Allied team, and no notification to the Soviets makes sense to me. But I would still lobby for a delay in infiltration refresh (like every 2 minutes?). In APB surprise attacks matter a lot. Buildings in APB are best taken down by a sudden concentrated attack before the defenders can react or repair. As the Soviets in a medium sized game, I would much rather face 1 more Allied defender but get my 15 seconds initial attack on a building in, than they know we are coming everytime. I don't care if my entire attack force gets owned, as long as we manage to kill a building each time.
You can't get airdrops without relay, but it doesn't matter if Allies still have their War Factory. On many maps I remember being able to get a spy and ranger after our radar was down and get relay back within 2 minutes. Again surprise attacks are really powerful in APB, and being blind should be a big penalty (and reward for the Soviets for killing dome).0 -
On 3/8/2018 at 7:50 AM, Pushwall said:
Spy
- Backup relay from infiltrating Radar Dome now lasts 6 minutes (was 5).
- Infiltrating the Barracks/War Factory no longer floods the chat with notifications of what vehicles/infantry the Soviet team has (as that doesn't tell the Allies much anyway). Instead, the unit report causes all of the appropriate Soviet units to become visible on global radar, marked by blue magnifying glasses (I wanted to do red chevrons or something red but that's kinda difficult since then it'd make the markers visible to the Soviets). These markers remain visible for 15 seconds. Infiltrating the Barracks will reveal all Soviet infantry who are not in a vehicle (even if they are sneaking), and infiltrating the War Factory will reveal all Soviet ground vehicles (including cloaked ones if Soviets happen to get a hold of an MGG/Phase). Aircraft cannot be marked in this way, and watercraft are marked elsewhere. Be sure to infiltrate the Soviet radar beforehand if your own radar is down!
- Can now infiltrate Submarine Pens. Doing so provides a similar effect to the new Barracks/War Factory infiltration, except it reveals Soviet watercraft (LSTs, submarines and stolen boats) and the markers stay visible for 1 minute.
- All infiltration abilities now have a small trigger zone like the War Factory one; they now require the spy to get close to the MCT, instead of just being anywhere in the building that's on the same level as the MCT. (Excluding the Missile silo which, like it did previously, still requires the spy to press E on the A-Bomb purchase terminal.)
1We should give a cool down time to the Barracks/War Factory/Subpen ability, as well as a notification to the Soviets of infiltration, or else a good spy in base would mean Soviets can never do any sneak attacks or flanking again. A required time deplay near the MCT would also make things more realisitc (the spy is "hacking" enemy records) and fun, there is a thrill of waiting try to not get caught.
Also not sure about the radar dome delay to 6 minutes. I feel the Soviets should be adequately incentivized for destroying Allies' radar dome. What's the point hitting the radar with 20 minutes left in the game if the Allies can just infiltrate 3 times and get radar back no problem? Also it would be great if we require the spy to stay near radar MCT for a bit to "activate" the relay.
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I think I'm starting to see what Volkov is to the Mammoth tank as what shocks are to the TT. If I want to bring an extra durable (but slow) tank to my attack, I will buy a Volkov. This could work.
"Hey Soviets we heard you love tanks so we are going to let you put a tank inside your tank!"0 -
So instead of a tank-hunter, Volkov will be more like an infantry version of the mammoth tank - can soak up a lot of damage, decent firepower against everything but slow and can not choose his engagements. Unique for sure, but I'm not sure people would like a 6m/s infantry on most maps. Also does being that slow make you really vulnerable to headshots?
Lastly, can we give him more armor than health in keeping with the theme that he is a cyborg?
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I'm not too familiar with the stats, but does Tanya lose as much accuracy as other units when she's running/jumping? Ideally, she shouldn't, since she's supposed to be a crack-deadshot commando great with her desert eagles.
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What if we let Volkov fly? No Soviet infantry can fly as far as I know.
But seriously, I like the Kovtillery idea. There isn't any anti-building siege infantry (oh how I miss the old nader!) so Kov could fill that role. I say we should turn him into a long-range all-around fighter by keeping his nades, let it do a lot of slow burn damage and no direct damage so he can "siege" attacking infantry from long range before they get to him. Group rushing a base? Better bring a mixture of shocks and flamers. Going solo to annoy enemy from afar? Get a Kov. However, let him keep his mobility since Allies have fast units that can respond to siege units quickly.The only potential downside of retooling his battlefield niche would be giving the Allies a boost given their fast and stealth vehicles that can easily escape shocks and RPG,, and you just wait until the Chronotank comes, who's going to chase it down and counter that? If we keep Volkov's current role, we should up his price to $1800 so he's not overused.
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Why don't we just give Volkov a medium range, super accurate, specially modified AKM machine gun (assume you have the model somehow) like the Ra2 Boris?
Vs. infantry its DPS can be like an accurate PKM, and vs vehicles it can have the current handcannon DPS, but the gun does next to nothing versus buildings.
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On 3/8/2018 at 7:50 AM, Pushwall said:
Red Alert: A Path Beyond Update 
Repair buildings
- Ground/air vehicle repair costs 50% of the vehicle's price just like naval vehicles (was 25%)
I don't like this. When WFs are down, SD served as a mitigant and helped with defense. This kinda nerfs SD.
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I feel on large maps with little vehicle cover and well-defended bases (thinking back to A Path Beyond), speed and quick damage output is key, since defenders can easily re-buy vehicles to wear down even a large attack force. This gives the Soviets a disadvantage. Is there a way to manually lengthen vehicle build times for all sides on larger maps?
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Hiyoyo!
But it doesn't tell me anything!0 -
I suppose there is not directional target range limit for the SAM sites?
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If you want unfair, you should have seen the grenadier from the hill behind Allied base back in the days before it was nerfed. That was some good times.
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So Tanya has the advantage here?
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2 hours ago, Pushwall said:
Are technicians ever going to be in a situation where an enemy building and a friendly building are so close together that their aim may slip and heal the wrong one?
Wait, are you saying I can heal enemy buildings as a tech/engine?
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Going back to Danpaul88's note. Would a large infantry only map every be viable without vehicle transports? I don't think so, since the attacking side, even if they are good shots, will just face endless waves of respawning defenders until they are worn down, or until the game devolves into a sniper duel.
But then again, this is why we have radar dome's new function and random STs on large maps incase both side's WFs are down.
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Chronotank
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Oops I can't believe I forgot Ra2! But those units are not tanky (very easy to kill), and their long "phase out" time self-balances.