Jeod

What abilities indeed? You’ve had over 24 hours to answer that and you’ve failed to.

Right, the way I interpreted the whole thing is that the ability overturns a town lynch to a secondary lynch. If a scum is lynched, then the ability technically isn't used. Assuming he's being honest about it, of course.

And he only gets two charges if the first target is scum on his first charge. Sounds like it's better to save the ability since Shade could be third party. We're only convinced at the moment that he's hostile, not that he's scum. (Although I believe he'll flip scum)

Well, does it rely on Orange's ability being saved for later? Better pipe up on that part now if it does.

Not voting would have accomplished the same thing. Now we're at a 4:3 ratio. Although if someone comes in to tie the votes, they'll be under the spotlight and watched closely. I don't understand the point of this question in reference to the current situation.

@TheIrishman you can hide those CvCs in spoiler tags or something if it messes up your tracking.

Some math. CVC: Killing You voted Shade OrangeP47 voted nobody Jeod voted Shade iLikeToSnipe voted Shade Shade939 voted No Lynch Nodlied voted nobody Category 5 Hurricane voted nobody ChopBam voted No Lynch FRAYDO voted nobody Verti60 voted Shade Shade: 4 NoLynch: 2 Now let's change it up. CVC: Killing You voted Shade OrangeP47 voted nobody Jeod voted Jeod iLikeToSnipe voted Jeod Shade939 voted No Lynch Nodlied voted nobody Category 5 Hurricane voted nobody ChopBam voted No Lynch FRAYDO voted nobody Verti60 voted Jeod Jeod: 3 NoLynch: 2 Shade: 1 We're now dependent on OrangeP47 being truthful, Shade being willing, and Nodlied/Category 5/ChopBam/FRAYDO being present before hammer to make the proper adjustments. There are too many factors we're dependent on. It's optimal to go for the first plan.

Yes. What we want ideally is a 4:2 ratio for Shade/NoLynch, which seems to be the option we're going to have to take. We can't coordinate a Jeod/Shade 4:2 ratio in time unless a miracle happens, so we'll have to see if Orange decides to use his ability. If he does, it won't prove that Shade isn't scum per-se. Night investigations will have to back it up.

I actually spotted Snipe lurking CYOR 3 and asked him about it on Steam, where I found out he was interested in joining a mafia game again. I knew he wanted to sign up for whatever game was next which is why I pinged him. Vertigo, you just tied the votes. We were at a 3:2 ratio, so all we needed was a Shade vote, but you went with NoLynch to tie it up. Curious.

Which is why I volunteered. I'm town, so I will be passed over. If Shade is actually third party, he'll still be lynched. The only reason for us to go through with this ability is to prove my alignment, which is mostly already proven according to opinion. I think that given where we stand right now, it'd be less risky to just lynch Shade and save Orange's ability for another time. We're too close to hammer to coordinate things the way they would need to be, and it's a work day, so we'll have a hard time getting players here in the first place to weigh the options and cast their votes.

He's saying that if the first target is scum he'll get a do-over. He also appears to be insisting that Shade be the first target, which doesn't work to help us know if he's lying about how the ability works. It's awful convenient for Shade, really. Plus, if OrangeP47 can't accept the terms of having me as the first target, then he must also believe that I'm town and therefore his ability shouldn't be used today. Shade has also said absolutely nothing about his role. In the face of overwhelming reasoning towards lynching him today, there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest to us that we should be cautious about lynching him other than circumstantial. Shade doesn't play a bad town game when he's a town power role.

Here's the scenario since I'll be out and about for a few hours before hammer: Scenario 1: OrangeP47 is truthful Shade is Target #1 and NoLynch is Target #2, we discover through the ability that Shade is not scum (but still possibly neutral/third party) Scenario 2: OrangeP47 is full of shit Shade is Target #1 and NoLynch is Target #2, Orange flips the lynch to NoLynch and argues that because of it, Shade must be non-hostile, town gains no useful information or confirmation Scenario 2 is why I'd prefer to have two players on the table. Make me Target #1 if possible. Then, if OrangeP47 gets a town lynched, we know that he was covering for his buddy Shade and you have two scum on the second day.

Although, @Category 5 Hurricane, you should add this to your cons list, as it's a big one: What if OrangeP47 is lying about his ability to potentially clear the first target and only has a scum ability to swap between two targets? If that's the case, it's indeed preferable to have two players on the table so OrangeP47 would be caught if the lynched target was town. I still volunteer.

At the moment it's too easy to shift the first target to NoLynch, which renders the whole idea moot. We'll need one more vote on Shade, and the another if someone else votes NoLynch. The ratio should be 4:2. So, if anyone else changes the ratio after one more Shade vote, they'll be under scrutiny.

This little interaction on the first page is why I felt OP47 and Shade weren't on a team. Though now that I read it on its own, I think I can dismiss that thought. This isn't enough evidence.

Still hostile though. I’m still volunteering to be the first target unless we have a better alternative.

Off to bed, I'll keep watch from mobile for a bit and be back in 10 hours or so to catch up.

You don't sound too sure of yourself there.

And why do you continue to assume I have no night protection?

To be clear, then, I'm on the train for straight lynching Shade or using this ability of yours. Either one works from my point of view. However, if you opt for the ability, I'll volunteer as Target #1. You said that if Target #1 isn't hostile then Target #2 is selected, right? I'm town. So, if you're lying and I'm lynched, then your head is on the line.

Interesting...if you can get TIM to confirm that's possible, I'd like to do it. As I said earlier in the game, my first read was that you and Shade aren't partners. I think I can trust you not to pull any monkey business.

That's quite the interesting ability. I'm willing to give it a go if it gets a majority appeal. I don't have a solid second suspect in mind, however maybe iLiketoSnipe does.

Can you explain how you feel this lynch isn't safe? He has all the hallmarks of being a hostile.

Is it my avatar? Not many can resist Chris Hemsworth with lightning coming from his eyes. It's fairly intimidating but cool if you ask me.

This isn't Star Wars Mafia. I'm town this time and I feel like I have a pretty airtight case against you. If I'm wrong for some reason, apathy is the opposite of what you should be doing.