Killing_You

Aaand thanks for locking in my suspicions. You're doing your best to sow doubt on everyone with the exception of yourself, Cat5, and FRAYDO. FRAYDO's my strongest townread right now, so that leaves Cat5. Here's a question; if you're town, then what has you so worried? The majority is on your suspicions, and you're lynchproof, so what's the harm in patiently waiting to see what happens? After all, perhaps you're right, and perhaps you're wrong. You're looking like someone who's desperate to keep their partner off of the lynch table (Cat5 in this case). Do you know something we don't?

I'm not in a masonry with anyone, and my cooldown is longer than I anticipated. I have to wait until Night 5. Not that it really matters. Your desperation is showing hard.

I don't see the desperation you're seeing. If anything you seem desperate because you have a scum buddy on the lynch table.

No. Bad. *sprays water* Back to the dead doc.

Also, this puts Louis more on the Town side, now that I think about it. If she was scum, she would've gotten this advice already from her partners in the scumdoc.

Anytime. Really, it's a constant learning experience. The most important thing is to not get discouraged.

I think I'm going to go ahead and get off the Louis case. On the surface that quick double vote combined with her and ChopBam backing each other today looked rather scummy. But reading back through... that's it. Even then, it almost feels as if Chop was banking on Louis's desperation to clear herself as a proxy defense for himself. Cat5, on the other hand, has quietly taken advantage of this in the opposite direction. He brought up a possible slip on Louis's part, but left it to us to push on it. My earlier case on him, even sans Meta, still stands in my eyes. I think iLTS did a decent job building a case himself. ##vote Category 5 Hurricane Also, Louis, a little advice from someone who was in the same boat a few years ago: Don't worry too much about being confirmed. Nothing will ever be 100% anyway. This is a game of trust and deception, not facts, and being concerned with your town standing is generally considered scummy. I'd recommend focusing less on how Town sees you and more about how you see other people.

The short version is in the post you're quoting, and has been brought up. I've got some time, though; I'll go ahead and grab the long version.

I don't like this. Chop and Louis have been heavily in sync the whole day, and those two votes right next to each other don't help. xxvote ChopBam Nah, just kidding. ##vote Louis

I'm against a nolynch. Just because we can't hit CHop today doesn't mean we can't try to get his scum partner. And on the off-chance that Chop is somehow town, then the remaining scumteam is out in the open. Good eye. That might be enough to make me lean toward a possible Louis lynch. If nothing else happens between now and hammer, I'll put my vote on her.

Here's where I'm at; Everything points to Chop being scum. Everything also points to there being two scum members. However, I'm having trouble rationalizing who that scummate is. It's definitely not FRAYDO, and my gut tells me it's not Mojo (scum team having a warp star PLUS a one-time lynchproof passive AND three members total? That's crazy imbalanced). iLikeToSnipe came into the game late, and opened by trying to build a case on Chop based on him skimming over some important info, which I don't think would happen if they were a scum team together. For me, that leaves either Louis or Category 5, and I'm having trouble deciding. There's a case for Cat5, but his responses today and the reveal of his item make me doubt this possibility. As for Louis... I don't think there's a strong enough case there. At least not yet. That could be an interesting possibility worth looking into. We'll have to assume that the 1UP didn't come from Verti at all if this is the case, however.

That's a hell of a game changer. ##unvote I don't feel like voting Louis just yet, however. I want to get a more detailed case down first.

Mojoman as well.

There isn't. I've been iffy on him most of the game, but right now FRAYDO trusts him and I trust FRAYDO. I've also liked how his cases have been built today.

Items and abilities that have to be activated aren't the same as a flat-out passive, as is the case with Mojo. It was stated D2.

Okay, that's fair. This, however, isn't. You seem like you're putting the gas back on the Chop train now that the spotlight is on you. For my part, a couple things. One, I don't like the idea of scum having a lynchproof, even if it's one time. Two, I can't rationalize the idea of a Mojo/Chop/Orange scum team, and since you're looking scummy, I'm discounting Mojo for the moment. I could see a scenario where a scum has a one-time lynchproof due to a reduced team size, but a Mojo/Orange only team makes no sense. That would assume that you're town and you blocked Orange N1, and we know Mojo blocked Shade, so there was no way either of them killed Verti in that circumstance.

Given the evidence, yes. I'm gonna make a trash run, be right back.

It appears my hunch was right. Between Shade's usual distracting shenanigans and Donkey Kong causing a shit Banana storm, I've missed something very important: Category 5 Hurricane has been behaving out of character. At least, for a town Cat5. Day 2, these are his posts where he expresses displeasure with iLikeToSnipe. Granted, a lot of us had our suspicions about iLTS at that time, but Cat 5 never says why. The closest he gets is when he mentions Mojo using his hammer on iLTS. But would he really think scum would risk daykilling their partner? Especially so soon after one scum was daykilled already? See a pattern? His posts mostly consist of one or two sentences with no real substance to them. And here's his biggest post at that point in the game. Notice how it's all about defending himself rather than giving his input on the other players? Normally Cat5 considers clearing himself to be somewhat of a secondary objective. He'll do it, but he puts most of his focus on scumhunting. Not the response I'd expect from a town Cat5. Town Cat5 would bring up this explanation, and use this as the basis of his case. At this point the Chop train was already well-underway, and a Chop lynch was also unlikely, thanks to both the Warp Star existing and Donkey Kong shenanigans. But look at his wording. Let's keep this in mind. Day 4 starts, and this is how he opens the day. It feels a little like he pulled back the brakes on Chop for seemingly no reason. Still gotta keep the suspicions going around, eh? And here, on Day FOUR, we finally get what looks like a typical Cat5 post. Even then, however, there's some issues. Look at how heavily he seems to suspect Mojo and iLTS. He's done so all game, and yet has never fully explained his reasoning on either of them. More importantly, however, look at his section on Chop. It's a whole lot of fluff that boils down to "The evidence says he's scum, but does it really?" Overall, his interactions with ChopBam felt like two players pushing on each other when it's convenient, only to back off and try to deter suspicion away from each other. This is exactly what I expect from a scum Cat5. A town Cat5 would be making this kind of post far earlier, and would be more solid with his reads and bring harder evidence. I was tempted to quote examples from a game where Cat5 was town (APB Mafia 1) and a game where Cat5 was scum (Battle of the Gods Mafia), but I don't know if that's allowed, so I won't do so. Besides, I think this case is solid enough. ##vote Category 5 Hurricane

Pls quit memeing I am doing an investigate

Since you're here Cat5, I'd like your full thoughts on this game. I'll be doing a full analysis in the morning, and I'd like to hear what you have to say.

Actually, I'll get to this in the morning. I want be thinking as straight as possible so that I don't miss anything. For now, all I will say is this: We've made plenty of assumptions and ran with them. Specifically, I've been writing Cat5 off as Town because that's what he usually is and because there have been other, more obvious cases. I want to take a second look at him and challenge my own reads. Maybe the answer is somewhere in there.

I had an epiphany while writing this. The crux of the case against ChopBam is based on the idea that the 1UP he possesses was Verti's that he took when he killed him. Here's the thing; we don't know any of this for a fact. We're assuming that it was Verti's in the first place solely because he was Dr Mario. This looked strong at first, but if we consider the 1UP coming from somewhere else, it's a lot flimsier. I've got another direction to go in. I'll be back soon.

The only two players Chop has blocked this game are you and Orange. Chop didn't reveal that he had a 1UP, and when asked about it he didn't give straight answers. The train of thought here is that Chop has been working with his scummates to falsify claims in order to "clear" them. I'd gather the evidence right now, but as stated above, I want to put it on hold for a second. I want to see what Cat5 has to say.

Right now? I trust FRAYDO, and I somewhat trust iLikeToSnipe. I do think there's a case to be made for you and Chop to be on a team, but I'm waiting for Cat5 to respond to my question before moving forward. I want to keep my options open.

At the same time as all this though, something's dug into the back of my mind... Hey @Category 5 Hurricane who were your targets the past few nights?