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Here's one more for the iLST-is-scum case. iLTS may be comfortable pushing me as hard as he is, because he's done the math. Go on this red herring goose chase with Louis, trying to take an item that's not there. Lynch some other town today (1), NK tonight (2), lynch me tomorrow (3), NK the following night (4), and with two scum left that's a pretty confident-looking plan.

The way I see it, at least one living player in this thread knows for certain I am town, and they are one of three things: Pushing me strongly as scum. On D3 this may have described Cat5, but now on D4 I am seeing it as iLTS. Playing the sheep and just following the reasoning to push the scapegoat but not spearheading it, lest I flip town before gameover and the cards fall back against them. D4 this describes Cat5, FRAYDO, and KY. FRAYDO and KY I trust their characters more than I trust their judgment. Cat5 still has a decent likelihood of being scum, because of reasons others mentioned. His slight "change in heart" toward me could be the realization that I may die and flip town before he'd win as scum, bringing the house back down on his head if he pushed too hard. Sitting back, being inactive, and letting me take the heat from well-meaning townies. I'm actually leaning on this with my vote on Mojoman, as he is just sliding by pretty easily since the scapegoat work is being done for him by others. Lastly this could describe Louis, and I'm not even 100% against a lynch on her, but she reads the least scummy to me out of the rest of you here as her posts read genuine. I really feel like we could use a chart. I'd prefer a scummy TheIrishman to a scummy iLTS, because at least Irish would make [publicly accountable so therefore accurate] charts that would help everyone follow what's happened with claims over the days and nights, so things could be pieced together. For one, giving each person an alibi that's been confirmed by others for each night would be great so we can rule out some suspects and line up other claims to see what doesn't fit.

Why do you think I was singling you out? Because I was responding to you and your flimsy reasoning? FRAYDO and KY are currently reading way more townie to me now than you are, so that's one reason I chose to give this exact response to you instead of them. Not that this exact response was particularly "singling out"-like, even. I'm more interested now in why your internet heart rate suddenly spiked.

Your entire quasi-town post is flawed because it stems from this false premise. I'm still trying to puzzle together whether you already know that I'm not scum, as this is a very strong statement and line of bullshit to follow, for somebody making a bunch of assumptions about a 1-Up, of all things.

I'm tired of merely talking the talk. ##vote Mojoman

Better luck too.

This is what new townies under pressure say. I probably would have also said something like that when new, but I am willing to fight because I believe in myself, even when nobody else does.

Ok.

No, you're opportunist if you're scum.

The point wasn't to doubt you, but to have realization. The thing that makes the most sense to me is that one of the guys who's being an opportunist and pushing for me is the one we're looking for. Cat5 or iLTS. I can't puzzle out which, and I'm a bit dubious of your read on iLTS unless you have more information you're not sharing on why you think he's a townie.

Ignoring the 1-Up as a lynchproof for me, I do have the warp star which is a one-time lynchproof. Why would you like the idea of me having one time lynchproof and being scum, but not Mojoman? Did he? I have been missing this info [as usual]. This lends itself to a scum still alive that's not Mojo.

For some strange reason I can't get on board the Cat5/Chop train, so I'm going to be looking at Mojo and iLTS today. The main reason I'm not going straight for iLTS is that FRAYDO is vouching for him. Not that a mere read means much with iLTS, he has fooled us in the past. I also am suspicious of Majora's intentions, who in terms of character was only focused on destruction, unlike the other Zelda villains. Town decided a few days ago Mojo was worth lynching. Then when half of him was lynched, town decided to forget about him. What happened to the line of reasoning that led to the lynch?

Bah, that's what they all say.

Interference?

@Killing_You Are you then on the Cat5/Chop train?

If I'm somehow town with some weird off-the-wall stuff going on, then how am I supposed to provide adequate answers to your three points? It assumes I have some kind of solid answer or knowledge that I really don't have. The burden of proof is on me to invent or come up with some explanation that I really have no idea of? That's truly unrealistic.

Because there are clearly obvious things that iLTS is ignoring by throwing these accusations around.

The fact that I am town and you + Cat5 keep going on and on and on and on about this 1-Up thing is just a bit suspicious to me, and also becoming very boringsome. I don't have an explanation, but as I've told you before, I have this 1-Up and am also innocent, so there is 100% an explanation that does not involve me killing Verti. This does not mean I have to know what that explanation is. You keep asking for an explanation, but I really really don't know.

Um yeah that was the whole point. She can confirm my whereabouts and I can confirm hers and that she's telling the truth. It isn't scum's job to clear town, it's their job to cast suspicion on town. Yeah I guess?

It's likely nobody knows, except dead people or the mafia team, who definitely are not interested in coming to my rescue. I'm the one on the chopping block and I personally know there is an alternate explanation, so of course I have to come up with ideas. We've been over this multiple times but it's clear you're not listening. Now that's just reaching.

That's a whole lot of assumptions your making there about items, iLTS. Do we even know the 1-Up came from Verti? I did vote for Mojo pretty early on, and tried to steal an item from him as well. It's unlikely we'd be on a team. If I was teamed with Cat5, this would mean Louis is town and telling the truth about me copying and blocking her.

If iLTS is scum, then he is scumming very well. Playing the part of a town guy as he should. I'm on board with trying Mojoman again. He suddenly changed his attitude after the first time he was lynched, but there are other things that don't sit right with me, such as his "joke vote" on Orange the first day, and other things killing you mentioned.

Link has some commonalities with a storm trooper.

I won't repeat the PM word-for-word, but it goes something along the lines of the mask convincing me to hold onto it for the time being. This may just be flavor for iLTS controlling to have it stay on me. Which does bring up a very good point on his whereabouts last night. He couldn't have done the kill if his action was to keep the mask on me. If Cat5 is scum, and I'm willing to allow for that possibility, we sure wasted a whole lot of effort and a Nodlied to take the vote off him yesterday. I'd still like to look at others before looking at Cat5, but I am happy to hear KY if he has a case for that. Still, at some point we had convinced ourselves thoroughly that Cat5 is town, and that speaks for something. We've confirmed Mojo doesn't have any items, and he claims to be a vanilla town without his hammer. But what if he's now a vanilla mafia without his hammer? It might have been wiser for me to suck and spit him last night, to block him and ensure he doesn't have night actions. If he was town, he'd confirm and since we definitely haven't been buddy-buddy this game, it'd look better than Louis confirming. And if he was scum, well the NK might have been blocked?

Can we afford a mislynch today? If Louis was lynched, she would probably not be happy at all, but if I'm reading her right she would flip town and would I be confirmed even then? Or would iLTS continue with his lynch boner for me? I really think that is useless though in the first place. Don't lynch her. Let's find a baddie today.