Jeod

If I changed my vote it would be on Voe, and you fraydo would then tie the lynch for a nolynch.

You have 5 minutes to convince me otherwise.

I'd rather see chopbam live another day, and also see my vote count for something.

##vote FRAYDO

Prevent it by voting ChopBam. I've already said why I will not.

Looks like it'll be a tie vote in the end. RNGesus deciding our fate.

You know what? I've had enough of this. You want me to vote you Voe? Fine. Because Nodlied is a role locker, I suspect he can stop Alstar tonight if you turn out to be a scum incapable of making kills. But if you turn out to be lynchproof, I'll blame Generalcamo as this wouldn't be a "Back to Basics" game. ##vote Voe

There's an hour to go I think

If he's scum then I deserve the loss.

I voted Alstar because I don't think you're a threat yet. Maybe you can't kill. Who knows. But the mere fact that you, Nodlied, and Alstar are all going against ChopBam signals to me that he isn't scum, because at least one of you is.

Nodlied, so you're a tracker? Well that kinda confirms me. ChopBam was questioning his result because the wiki says the serial killer can be reported as a vanilla town. He's also pretty piss-poor at defending himself well, and has been having to constantly turn his attention to Voe's assault today. If there are two mafia factions in the game, then it explains why there is a doctor, a cop, and a tracker. Two nightkills per night does require balance--and unfortunately, if it's true, then town is screwed unless mafia kill each other tonight. Check out how Voe flipped when I voted Alstar. I strongly suspect they're a scumteam. This is Alstar's first game after all, but I think Voe led the nightkill charge against Cat5 out of fear and has been giving Alstar talking points in the scumdoc.

##vote Alstar Two scum factions. Voe and Alstar are one of them.

Could it be that we are at 4/2/2 with two mafia factions?

Choppy, we're at 4 town and 4 hostiles. This is MYLO, but it's also LYLO. We have to lynch today and we have to lynch correctly.

I fully understand the loyalty bit. ChopBam also fully claimed SKVD Spy. However, like with me having a 50/50 of being town or the godfather, ChopBam also has the 50/50 of being the cop or a scum. I refuse to vote for him for this reason. I do need to start work soon. Thus, my final vote assuming I cannot be back during my break and assuming I do not change it if I do make it back. ##vote Killing You

I agree. I also believe that FRAYDO is mostly guilty by association. With ChopBam. However, you and ChopBam are intertwined a lot more than Fraydo is with either of you. If scum was to bus one of them to salvage the game, it would be one who leaves least connections with the others. That's why I want to lynch ChopBam. He is in the middle of this, and if he flips scum, that will be a direct connection to both Jeod and Fraydo. If fraydo dies, Jeod will still be able to defend himself rather well. ChopBam flipping, on the other hand, is the nail in the coffin. I'm also hoping Nodlied will make it in time to explain his night action. By all accounts, it's far more likely that ChopBam is the cop and I am the town report. If I were godfather, then I would be attempting to discount two players in the lynch pool. We are not lynching ChopBam today.

It's also counterproductive for scum to bus scum today as it's MYLO. They would only do this if they felt they were on the lynching block, and at the moment you are not (pending unvotes). FRAYDO voted for CK. Given the above thought, let's look at the combinations. I'm excluding Nodlied and Alstar for the moment as I townread them. FRAYDO Chaos_Knight Killing You If the scum refuse to bus today on account of MYLO, then the possible teams are: FRADYO + KY KY + CK FRAYDO + CK On this logic, KY is confirmed to be scum. Since he is currently here, I'd like to know what he has to say about this. And I've forgotten the third scum, again. Okay, so going on Voe is the SK, we have these possibilities: FRAYDO + CK + KY FRAYDO + CK + ALSTAR FRAYDO + CK + NODLIED CK + KY + ALSTAR CK + KY + NODLIED KY + ALSTAR + NODLIED This means that one of my townreads on either Alstar or Nodlied is incorrect. Edt: more possibilities FRAYDO + KY + ALSTAR FRAYDO + KY + NODLIED

If FRAYDO turned out to be scum and you were not nightkilled, then yes you would most likely be lynched the next day.

I'm hoping to get input from Nodlied and CK before work. But, if I don't, I'll still vote. I do have a 15m break two and a half hours into my shift which will allow me to briefly skim the thread and possibly change my vote. After that, I may not be available until after hammer. I work from home for a call center, you see, and so it's not guaranteed I'll have any time between calls to respond to things. It's the Christmas season, so it's busy.

As I've played it on epicmafia, no. The SK can be nightkilled. However as Voe is denying the SK role, and also does not seem like a scum, then that means we have 4/5 hostiles in the rest of the bunch (assuming ChopBam is cop, fmpov). I don't see why town wouldn't be given a cop role with a SK in the game. This solidifies my belief that ChopBam is the cop. Either way, the lynch should be in one of the five: Alstar FRAYDO Chaos_Knight Killing You Nodlied Alstar seems super town, and where there is a SK in the game, there may also be a Shrink (Psychiatrist). If Nodlied is the Shrink, then he assumed I was a third party on Day 1 and attempted to convert me N1. That would mean that I am no longer a SK. However, Nodlied wouldn't know the result, which is why he'd ask me to explain what happened. Therefore, from my point of view, there are three players left--meaning I'm either wrong about Alstar or Voe is the SK.

This may already be a town loss. Check out this math: A scum is lynched today, leaving us at 7 players. 4 town, 2 scum, 1 SK. If there are two nightkills tonight, and they're both on town, the scum and the SK will have control of votes (2/2/1) unless the scum betray the SK. However, the SK can only win if he can kill everyone. That makes him dangerous to scum and possibly non-cooperative to them. Still, I wouldn't put it past Voe to cooperate just to spite the town. What is this directed to? Yourself? If you are the SK you should confirm it. You can't be lynched today by any means.

We have our work cut out for us. Five players to look at when re-reading the thread. Two of those five (Nodlied and KY) are afk.

Also, it should be worth noting that from my point of view at least, three of those five players are scum. That's a 60% chance of lynching scum today, and even if I am a godfather, it's a 40% chance of lynching scum today. They can be, however as Voe points out, lynching the SK in today's MYLO gives us a loss. We have to lynch scum.

Typo: three clear facts

FINALLY! I was waiting for this! Scum rhethoric confirmed. The Fraydo+ChopBam+Jeod triangle. Day 1 chopbam says he believes Jeod is town. Day 2 chopbam "confirms" Jeod is town. Jeod seems "unclear" about chopbam, now he "believes" he is the cop. Fraydo, suspicious since the beginning, comes out and makes the case of Chaos+ChopBam scum team, voting on Chaos. Remember, 1 town lynch is what they need to win. Knowing this, I asked whether he wouldn't prefer to vote chopbam first (i mean, what's the difference if both are scum, right?). Fraydo got defensive and asked me to make a case on ChopBam if that is the case, ignoring everything that has been said this whole game. That trio has not said a bad word about one another, aside from the Fray-Bam argument which dissolved immediately after a swift Choppy rebuttal. But now, watch this - implying I'm the serial killer: We're at 8 players, 4 town, 1 sk, 3 scum. Serial Killer lynch today will result in a 4/3 ratio, plus a nightkill, 3/3 scum victory next day. This is what I was waiting for. The reason I didn't adress the elephant in the room even once today: Scum finding the scapegoat Serial Killer as a lynch substitute, winning the game right here, right now. Now, watch the vote avalanche. Such as this. I haven't done my math right. Serves me right for not paying attention to the game up until now, then again I haven't had much time on my hands to do so. There are two clear facts here: 1) ChopBam is the sole cop claim and cannot be voted 2) If Voe is the serial killer, he also cannot be voted 3) If ChopBam is the sole cop claim, I cannot be voted, as I am 50/50 town/scum That leaves a pool of five players to choose from. Much better odds in a MYLO situation. Alstar FRAYDO Chaos_Knight Killing You Nodlied