OrangeP47

Given how I usually talk, pretty much everything I say comes with either a spoken or unspoken 'I can't prove this/it's only an idea'. Last night I was simply tired and was a lot less concerned with academic language than I usually am. I'll admit it wasn't the most coherent set of posts I've made.

And I never said I was trying to prove anything. Merely indicating that I was doing all that I could, and if that was not enough I just simply couldn't help you. What I was originally interjecting about was your erasure of my past posts, which is a pretty scummy thing to do. Let's be real, if there's a dispute between you and me then it doesn't matter what either of us thinks. It's up for all the others to decide. By talking over me when I try and remind people of what's been said of the past you're blatantly trying to steer the town to your own agenda. The argument can be made that if you believe your agenda is town, that's fine, but with the consideration your agenda might not be town we need more consideration. I don't ask that people outright believe me, I just ask to be heard

You know what I just realized. I bet the inflation is deliberately designed to help mask analyzing the levels. And a few other things, like make previous days counts not as important, too but that's more obvious. I'll follow suit by giving 10k to Nod right now, but Cat 5 has not fully convinced me, mostly because his own logic about why he's not suspicious mirrors my own but when I do it it's not good enough for him. Yeah, that's been dropped now, but I feel like I have a right to at least be slightly annoyed. Also, while it's true if that notebook is fake the rules might also not be accurate, it's best to hash that out not gloss over it. ##propose trust Nodlied 10,000

I'm going to dinner now and renting a movie (damn risk game shooting 90% of my afternoon). I've put forth who I'd give my points to, and we have over 24 hours, so I think we can afford the 3-4 hours I'll be gone for more discussion. If nothing's changed by then I'll put some into Nod.

Inflation, remember. That only buys you like two sodas.

I see what Cat 5 is saying now. I'd pick either Chop or Nod probably, but would want the group to decide as a whole.

Sorry, did not see this post until now actually! I'll decide once this risk game is finally over and I can go back over everything one last time.

I didn't do it for you, I did it for Chop

This silly risk-like game is taking longer than planned, so I'll put my thoughts in a by-person format. I would like to, in general, agree that it's weird no one is claiming N. I'll admit I thought some people were N for a time but no longer do. In order of CVC KY: I think he flipped out on me a little harder than he needed to, and once I roleclaimed he backed off and admitted my reasoning was fair. This could have been an attempt to put attention on me or get the roleclaim out of me if he was scum, but from what I've observed of past games, he's generally a bit trigger happy. We had good productive conversations too so that's points in his favor, but he did claim third party.... KY is the midpoint for me, which makes him suspect number 3, but perhaps vote option number 2, depending on just what we think of of Jeod. Jeod: We all know he's not above board. The question with him is can we reinvestigate him. Honestly, if we can, that would make him number 1 priority. Would he be acting this confident if we could? He claims he's going to kill L. If we could investigate him that might stop it, but he's so confident, in fact, that maybe even if we can it won't be stopped? Could L's name already be in the notebook and L's going to surprise bomb us later, so investigation wouldn't stop it? I have no idea, I don't know Jeod well enough to even begin to fathom, so I'll follow the group's lead here rather than suggest one way or the other. Chop: I'm pretty sure he's 100% legit. I've already gone at length as to why I think this. Voting him would be very counter productive. CK: I'm not convinced Mello would work with the task force, but so far CK seems on point, so I trust him for the moment. Mojo: I have no idea what he's doing, but whatever it is, we just investigated him, so doing so again would likely very much be a waste. Nod: I'm pretty sure he's vital to the task force, and voting him would be very counter productive. Cat 5: Saying he's Misa says a lot in and of itself. However, while I've never 100% trusted him, he *has* indeed done some town things. I think basically there's a way to "activate" Misa, but I have no idea what that is, or if it's happened. For awhile now Cat 5 has been mostly dormant, but that probably has a lot to do with being suspected so much overall. Now, Cat 5 is very active. Something's change. It could be what he claimed, or it could not be. Even if it is, though, aside from countering a possible point dump, there may not even be much we can do to help him. If it's not as he claims, this whole thing could be a giant ruse. I also really want to know what the Kira message means, if anything, and the language used just evokes what Jeod had been taunting Cat 5 with earlier. Maybe it means Jeod has found a better lackey than Misa and is throwing Cat 5 to the wolves. This actually isn't good for the town, even if it kills a Kira suspect, and using a death note it means some other player now has the ability to throw Cat 5's resources around without regard for his own life. An aggressive player gets taken down fast, but can do damage before hand. If death isn't a concern, though, there's now down side to being aggressive. OrangeP47: Here's me. I don't have any theories against myself, for obvious reasons, but I do understand if people are suspicious of me because of my relative unknown status. I'll answer any questions you might have. TL;DR. What we should do really depends on if we think Jeod is safe or not. I can't offer any good suggestions on that. Behind Jeod, I'm suspicious of Cat 5, and then KY, in that order, and everyone else I don't think is even remotely a smart option. Of those three options, at present time, I'd only be willing to commit to Cat 5, and even then it's not exactly a good bet in an emergency situation, as it's not outcome based but based on if we trust Cat 5. Even if he's activated he could be a diversion, and if we're wrong it's just as if we doubled up on Mojo. If we could somehow link Cat 5 to a notebook it would be worth it. He's not the mastermind though, and we kinda need to find the mastermind. In last place, I don't think KY is suspicious enough on his own to go all in on, so in short none of these 3 options are good.

Cat 5 claims I have a book. I've never said anything about a book either way, but I will right now say I do not have a book

Yeah that's a good point. It was pretty much hot potato,

I'm always in favor of looking at all possibilities, it's why my posts get so wordy. Unfortunately I'm playing like super-risk right now basically so I can't get all of wall of texty. I'm the only player that has my act together though so I'm browsing while the other 4 try and manage their economy spread sheets.

People can be delayed up to a few days according to Nod's rules. You could have been marked a long time ago for all we know. The order people die in might not even be the order they are written down.

I just told you what it does, and I've said it before without role claiming even. Why so secretive because now Kiras have a juicy target as I'm not even pro-town third party, I'm legit town.

I'm still too busy to make a post, but I'm watching. I'll have free time to write a wall of text in around an hour maybe. I am a task force though, Hideki Ide. My power was the ability to spend proposal at night, so fairly vanilla townie.

Rare chance to check in earlier in the day for me, though gonna be busy till mid-afternoon. I'll make an actual theory post at that time, which is what I assume Cat 5 wanted by something 'more town'.

Side note Cat 5 but out of the corner of my eye your new avatar always looks like a very hyper crustation of some sort trying to pincer something.

I could have easily turned attention back to you, and I haven't, because I think you're pro-town. I'll admit, maybe I'm overly cautious, but I feel as if I've been your biggest supporter against what could have been

Maybe I'm just annoyed nobody seemed concerned at the time. If you really did post about it I missed it, which is a shame. You're free to try and poke holes in what I've said, I just want it clear that I haven't been quiet. It seemed to me you were trying to silence my side of the story, which was really tripping my scum sensors hard.

I'm a very empathetic person But seriously, how can you hunt scum unless you think like a scum? Most people are known, only KY and myself are unknowns. KY and I obviously have been talking for awhile, but that's not good evidence for any of you (and I never said it was, just that it was documented )

Maybe that's what the Kira message means though. "This is what happens to failures" means other Kira suspect sees Cat 5 as a failed Kira, as Jeod ranted about a few days ago, "You have one chance", they'll write him in the second book to cancel him out if he "shapes up" as a proper Kira or something.

In the show... but I'm not sure that's how it was phrased when Nod posted the rules, which are slightly modified.

Well whichever is more fun, as that is the point of this game. I just don't think town can win today, and you're not town even if you play town so you have a different objective anyway.

So you're dying soon, but you think you can win before then?

I don't want to just up and role claim, unless there's like overwhelming group pressure to do so.