OrangeP47

While those are some interesting alternate theories, we can't exactly back off Mojo atm or I get the axe (thanks Jeod). KY is not here until later too so can't change his vote.

I'm back early. Had a great dinner, will get caught up on thread before hammer hopefully.

I'm taking my absence now. After looking at the CVC if certain concerned parties want to flip it back to me, they all have the ability to do so, one way or another, so I do not feel bad about this. ##propose suspicion Mojoman 1490 (I believe that's all I have left)

What you just did is called a 'raise'. If it was a call you'd have tossed 10 into the pot and the dealer would flip over the next card

I could dump all my proposal as suspicion onto him right now and you don't have enough to counter, but I'd prefer to let the others weigh in

I'm not quite sure what Jeod is on about. We know not to trust him, but he knows we don't trust him, and so and and so forth. However, if I'm voted in at hammer, at least please not let it be because Jeod's messing with our suspicion. We need activism, not passive acceptance. ##propose suspicion Mojoman 10 (Also I like to make Verti work hard and make more CVCs ) I have about 2 hours before I'll be checking out for a bit until after hammer, so please don't let Jeod just give me 11 back right after I take my leave

You're just jealous I outbid you for that television set with KY's help

I don't have anything important on the agenda anymore, and talking with KY is productive, so I'm happy to stay where I am, but am open to meeting others if they feel the need. (This is all assuming I don't get axed) Also, on a different subject with that Jeod-ninja, has anyone noticed the Mojo-Jeod buddy-buddy has been going on longer than just today, such as that post last night before the kill? I mean, Jeod being so obvious... it has to be some kind of ploy, but why would Mojo *play along* with it... I don't want to belabor my point, but I think we should talk about this more.

I suppose I do have an unhealthy obsession with efficiency. So be it. I'll give them a buffer. ##propose trust FRAYDO 1586 ##propose trust Nodlied 1500

I am highly concerned about him saying he can't use proposal this day, though. If we as a group decide to make him the trust-dump, though, I won't argue against consensus. I'll even chip in a bit in case anyone else comes out of the woodwork to pile on Jeod.

Do we think that Nod is safe to dump trust into again, that opening the book did not turn him? Now that Mojo is almost out we can probably safely decide who we give more than Jeod. I am more than willing to pony up for it. Given that I'm on the chopping block, it probably shouldn't be me. It also appears people are suspicious of Chop, so maybe not him. FRAYDO wants it, which would be suspicious if he wasn't confirmed town, but the fact that he says he can't use proposal is a very very bad sign IMO. That basically leaves Nod left...

On a lighter note, again I'll recommend this sound track. Today we fit well with the Day 4 or 5 music where it's definitely go time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCQ8KwZp1S0

Well, I'll lead with just an unfortunate fact, while I'm normally able to be around for hammer today is like the one day I won't be. In about 5ish hours I'll be afk and get back maybe an hour or so after hammer. I can understand some of your suspicious, but others I cannot. When did I guess how the eyes had worked better than you? I speculated on it a bit, yes, but I think a lot of our speculation occurred after Nod posted that rule, yes? Regardless, if you don't like me having the most trust, let's just give it to Chopbam or someone. I've never contested this is a valid and perhaps desirable action, it's just always wound up the past two turns with me having it. As for role blocking, with my talks with KY we actually think there are multiple people going around doing things. FRAYDO confessed to one, I'll believe him that he didn't do the other part, but he also claims it wasn't him that did KY. With FRAYDO himself being unable to use proposal today (which is something he's said himself too, not just a Jeod claim, why are we ignoring this?) I'd imagine maybe he's gotten role blocked too. As it influences L powers, honestly I don't know what's up there. I've gotten interesting flavor text with it, but I can't really compare it to earlier when the game was calmer because I didn't see those PMs. I get the impression though L's kind of going off the rails cause the town's derping up. I can understand why you might have your doubts, but I don't see you as having enough to go full in like that. The trust mechanic is simple, let's give it to someone else. I'll even use my points if you want. If you want to investigate me I guess that's technically fine. I did list myself as the 3rd best option (on the other side of you from Mojo, feeling the pressure there perhaps ), but given that Voe just got offed I'd kind of like to not die in short order if that's possible. That's a good point about Chop knowing Mojo's name. I had forgotten about that or missed it. Care to share Chop, it might influence or decision making. I said it *at least* five times. I used it to check out Chop's alignment because Voe and I were still majorly suspicious, and I cleared him. While obviously in this case, my word on Chop would not influence you, but did not others also clear Chop? Could those people perhaps come forward again?

1) If it's a tie, technically though. We're tied. 2) Group consensus: Is this a serious threat or are shinigami composed mostly of hot air?

Unless you last second dump suspicion on me or something Though I have full confidence the general levels of trust/suspicion will not be as they currently are come hammer time.

Could somebody give me 1 trust please just to spite this guy? Thanks (In all seriousness, while I understand if we want to pile it on Chop or FRAYDO, we shouldn't have a "resting state" of Jeod having the most trust)

So this may be a bit convoluted, but the whole game is convoluted right now. I do not think Mojo is controlled. I think he is pretending he is controlled, perhaps because he has something to hide. If we were controlled or gimmicked, I don't think he'd have this freedom with timing and who he's handing these things out to. I really want to know what's up with that, so shortly here I will be placing my vote upon him. I will retract that vote if given *good reason*, but as of yet he has not given me a good reason. He at one point surrendered a note, but while Jeod was first to point it out, I do actually think there's a chance that was fake and that could have been a plot to play a long con and gain town trust. Now, if he is controlled by the death note, this might be a wasted vote, as he'll be dying soon anyway (and likely someone helpful to the town if Kira's killing him), and thus won't gain any real info. Look at the alternatives though, listed from worst to best alternative, though I'd argue all of these are bad moves. 1) Nodlied: Technically an unknown, but a lot of us are in agreement he's town critical. There might be argument as to why he'd be a bad pick, but I'll wait for that debate to start up again if we're going to do that instead of waste space here. 2) ChopBam: A few of us are kind of wondering exactly what he's up to, but he's been consistently pro-town. If he's hiding something, it's probably merely because he doesn't want Kira to get his ID, which is fair enough. 3) KY: Claiming a very interesting role. However, it's a role that's a lot less threatening than some of the other people suspected because of their role. His logic has more or less been sound and pro-town so far though, and personally his logic is very similar to mine, so I might be a bit more biased in favor. 4) Myself: Similar to KY, though I'll fully admit I've given you less than KY has to work with. I feel as if I have good reason to be paranoid of giving away too much of my role info after what happened to Voe, and to be fair I've been generous explaining my actions and such. 5) Re-investigate Cat 5: We could do this if we suspect he's been activated since D2. However, I wouldn't put a bet on it. Confirmed Kira Suspect confirmed Misa, but acting very strangely given what we know. That could just mean he's playing some plot I can't discern. I'm open to suggestions as to what his game might be, but I don't have enough to vote for him on my own. Those are 5 bad options, though to be fair someone else might be able to come up with info that makes Cat 5 a good option. Therefore, I believe that next up for process of elimination is Mojo. ##vote Mojoman

You're going to run out of proposal eventually.

I legit had the teacher tell me I was terrible at folding things in Kindergarten and she made me practice extra, so that would have no effect on my voting experience

Please, don't rub it in!

Oh, are you Dutch? Off topic, but everyone in my Polisci Circles are glued to those results as well. Even across the ocean I'm distracted as well

It's possible. But he's been acting 'weird' for quite some time now. It's a large part of the reason why I suspect him. So this current thing, while *highly* irregular, isn't as big a jump as if say you or I randomly gave Jeod trust. I mean, look back to that post he made during the night about "Hey Jeod do you love me" or something like that.... Of course, it's possible too that the control has been ongoing for a long time, as the rules Nod posted said it could be extended out to three days I believe. In that case, if Mojo is controlled (still if), they'd have had to learned his identity somehow.... maybe the Shinigami can get your name if you touch the book even? In which case... several people might be screwed... Though there'd also be the intermediate step of the Shinigami telling the Kira the name in a verified manner... There are a lot of possibilities to consider if we go down this route.

@Chopbam again: Thanks. I'm not sure the group will want me as the most trusted, but that's more than enough to let me keep meeting with people, which is nice. Not that I'm planning on dumping KY or anything, heh, but just in case I need to meet with someone next night.

Well it could have been two people targeting me, seeing as I was role blocked the night before. That would mean we have a lot of people out there doing things they're stating quite silent about though... KY won't be back for a few hours, but said I could talk about what was discussed. The text about points being drained was near identical. I had something about 'my authority being challenged' as another line ahead of that. I also explicitly got nothing when I tried to watch Cat 5. I guess, to be fair, with as much as was going on with me, I got targeted by several people. Considering you had so much trust though it was pretty obvious where the points went. Maybe someone else has a similar action, but I guess we'd have to go back at look at old CVCs for yesterday and see who took KY's points if it wasn't you... Though the most concerning thing... you can use proposal points today? And late reply Chopbam: Mojo being controlled? Yeah that's a big 'what' he just did there, but I'm not sure control would work that way 0_o... He seems more like he's trolling....

I'd take FRAYDO over Mojo, for reasons stated above, but I'd like other people's opinions on how long Jeod is gonna keep that up before we start countering or doing anything with our own proposal...