ChopBam

It's kind of a trifecta here. If the masonry is a lie, then Orange and KY are scum together but I verified KY as neutral on N1, which would cast shade on me too.

I say, if we kill Category 5 now and block our suspected last scum during the night, we should stop any night kills in theory, correct? The common person we all agree is scum is Category 5, so why are you protecting him now?

This doesn't make sense at all for a town player, oh no it doesn't. You and Cat5 have both been casting shade at each other, but never enough to cause any actual damage to the other. Now that there is a chance that you could hit each other, you're suddenly siding with a common goal. At the same time, you've done the math which could show a scum win very soon if we delay on things we are certain to be true.

Are you so convinced that KY is scum, despite my cop read, and verifications of an attempted kill on each night, that you would side with Category 5, someone you admit is very likely to be scum, in voting for him?

Except you've done the math.

If KY returns as scum, it would seem lynching him is a bad idea as this would pad scum numbers. Our first priority right now should be removing any scum if at all possible, as we haven't done that yet and the more town that die makes me nervous. Orange and Cat5 both wanting to turn KY into scum right now, "totally independent" of each other's decision? Yeah I'm not buying it.

That is compelling indeed. Although there is still the issue of the profiler being used on you FRAYDO, when you were also the NK target?

This could describe your own strategy in implicating Cat5. To me it seems like you know the game isn't going to end when we lynch Cat5, so you need a suspect tomorrow that isn't you.

Each seems to be trying hard to get the other. Do you think this is to gain big townie points?

Whom do you propose KY is teamed up with?

I'm imagining this awkward scenario where KY dies and then suddenly is teamed up with players he's been fighting and arguing against all day. Trying to backpedal and argue against his previous arguments. It might be fun to see, actually. Orrr it'll be like everyone just sitting around the table in silence for 48 hours.

So basically if we lynch Killing You he's safe to lynch again. Except that we'll be losing time and possibly town members during the night. Scum needing to control 50% of the vote actually means we may have longer than I thought, however.

..huh? I said nothing of a third life. Just dying a second time.

If KY's alignment already changed, my N1 read is completely useless.

@Killing_You You're saying you would flip scum if killed a second time? And you'd have no access to a scum doc if killed a first time?

This is one bit that would be very concerning to me if true.

Latest chart: Spooky Players D1 N1 D2 N2 D3 N3 Category 5 <No Vote> Hid behind Louis Received amulet from Louis OrangeP47 Hid behind Louis Louis <No Action> ChopBam OrangeP47 Visited Killing_You No Lynch Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Received amulet Louis Visited Nodlied Amulet passed FRAYDO FRAYDO Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied iLikeToSnipe Passed ticket to KY <No Vote> Opened masonry with Killing_You Killing_You Spare Voe BUS DRIVER / Nodlied iLikeToSnipe BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Louis BUS DRIVER / Category 5 Nodlied Voe Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick <No Vote> Was put into/given a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Cat5 Gave pumpkin to Sunflower OrangeP47 Voe Masonry w/ KY Used profiler on FRAYDO iLikeToSnipe RNG tracked Louis, (saw no actions) Passed profiler Louis RNG tracked Killing_You (to Category 5) Sunflower Voe Doctored FRAYDO No Lynch Doctored Orange Louis Pumpkin received, Doctored self iLikeToSnipe Voe Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action No Lynch / Dead --- --- --- Mojoman Jeod Redirected to Nodlied, presumably passing pumpkin <No Vote> Died --- --- Jeod Spare Voe Masonry w/ Nodlied iLikeToSnipe Roleblocked Died --- --- Louis Spare Voe Passed amulet to Cat5 No action claim <No Vote> Attempted steal from Jeod, but no items Lynched --- [RESULT] Effectively No Lynch NK failed, FRAYDO was saved iLTS died town Mojoman died town Louis died TP NK failed, Sunflower was saved

Is the vote on Cat5 too easy? We've put a lot of pressure on and there isn't much fight here.

Forgive me for being ignorant of your role, but does this mean you've opened a masonry with him last night?

Being as this was Cat5's last post here, these are some pretty weak points, if I'm to be honest. "We must be missing something." This would only be the case if Cat5 is town, which is nearly impossible for me to see right now seeing alibis. Reviewing vote trains, how would that accomplish more right now than seeing solid alibis, especially when we wouldn't know who scum is, so it's hard to know who's saving whom? Seems like an attempted distraction. Why would Cat5 suspect that he won't survive the night? First off, if he's a hider, he's got a really good chance of surviving. And secondly, he's a prime scum suspect, so if he's town, why the hell would scum target him when someone like Sunflower is still around? And now we have further evidence that Nodlied is town, which in two ways renders that last paragraph of a case against him and KY to be pretty dim. In addition to this Nodlied evidence, my direct N1 alignment result on KY was neutral.

Interesting.. it doesn't for me.

Does it look new on, say, page 1 though?

First off I suspected him as a scum roleblocked, and then there was the gimmick as well. Secondly, in the event Nodlied was town, I'm assuming Cat5 has some sort of night protection, so clearing others is the next best thing to legit copping scum. No, I think it's a bug caused by quoting certain combinations of other quotes. Only happens on pages where that specific quote type exists. His absence is saying a lot, actually.

I suppose it's time to finally lay my own cards on the table. I'm the cop. KY came up neutral on N1 and Nodlied came up town on N3. The only way KY could not be neutral was if I was insane, or he had something that would screw with a cop report. I don't think I'm insane, because Nodlied came up as town and did a townie thing with the pumpkin. Something else I've considered is whether the Mason from Orange has turned KY from neutral to Mafia after my cop report. This does not explain the attempt on FRAYDO N1 however. It would seem Cat5 is the only person who could have done that, as Orange and KY were both busy.

If they had a scumdoc together, what do you think? Would they would be so open to the rest of us about having it?