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Hold on, lemme look at the Orange scum chart too... Hmm, I guess the sanity could have been shoved onto Voe as well. Screw that Voe guy.

At the time, assuming iLikeToScum, he wouldn't have known which of you was sane. If I had died, my scum read on iLTS may have been more legitimize in KY's brain to reconsider his scum read on you, Orange. Even if he investigated you and got a town read, he may have considered himself naive, yes, but if KY considered himself naive, that would have made you the sane cop by necessity and iLTS would have been outed because of his multiple mafia reports (impossible to be sane or naive). Pressure's back on you, @iLikeToSnipe. Killing_You couldn't stay alive in your scum case because whether he investigated Orange as naive or sane, you would have been outed by logical process.

In addition to KY's scum read on Orange (seen in other posts of his), this post is affecting me a bit too. He basically announced that he's investigating Orange, so iLTS as mafia would have had less reason to kill KY on N2. This game of deflection has multiple angles all supporting the same conclusion: iLTS' innocence.

@OrangeP47 do you have any followup for this reasoning you had before, which is basically a town read on iLTS? How can the Voe kill make sense if iLTS is mafia (which you currently contend)?

I also am busy/away most of the day tomorrow.

I'm assuming a 24h phase. What time is hammer?

I actually have work tomorrow myself. But I'm also busy right this second and will get to it later.

The reason I was leaning toward iLTS being scum in this game was that I was in those same shoes last game when I knew I was town but iLTS was going after me with whatever bullshit he could find. It seemed to the outside like a really solid case but I knew in my mind that I was town so I kept fighting. Perhaps I have some empathy for you, but that could also be my downfall, so I'm trying to be careful.

Oh look I contradicted myself and people don't think I'm scum. Amazing. I could do this all day!

All of your reasonings, from both sides, seem pretty sound. KY's read on Orange, plus some of iLTS' reasoning, gives me pause on my iLTS scum read. So I may have to go back through the thread and hopefully not just WIFOM it but try to read between the lines as far as actions, reactions, and emotions. This game right now:

Yeah exactly, but that'd be 50/50 on whether the sanity belonged to you or to KY, and another 50/50 on whether KY targeted iLTS or you (because if KY targeted you and got town, he could have been seen as a naive cop). @iLikeToSnipe, do you have possible motivation for Orange to have gone after KY last night? The main thing I can think of is that KY was scum reading Orange yesterday and I was scum reading you, so the trajectory of D2 reads would give Orange a good chance. What say you?

That exchange doesn't stand out to me in either direction any more than it did when I first read it, and I'd say for the same reasons as when I first read it.

Hm, actually he still might not know whether the sanity was yours or KY's, but still likely not a risk to take.

That would have been an excellent reason to kill him. I'm trying to find motivation (from iLTS "town perspective") for you to have gone after KY last night. On the flipside, I am finding good motivations (from your "town perspective) for iLTS to have gone after Voe and then KY.

Somebody lemme know if I got anything wrong here. General Player N0 Report N1 Report N2 Report Sane Insane Naive Paranoid Voe iLTS/Town - - Killing_You Chop/Town Voe/Town - iLikeToSnipe Voe/Mafia Chop/Mafia Orange/Town ChopBam KY/Mafia Orange/Mafia Chop/Mafia OrangeP47 Voe/Town KY/Town iLTS/Town iLTS Bad Player N0 Report N1 Report N2 Report Sane Insane Naive Paranoid Voe iLTS/Town - - Killing_You Chop/Town Voe/Town - ChopBam KY/Mafia Orange/Mafia Chop/Mafia OrangeP47 Voe/Town KY/Town iLTS/Town iLikeToSnipe Voe/Mafia Chop/Mafia Orange/Town Claim Orange Bad Player N0 Report N1 Report N2 Report Sane Insane Naive Paranoid Voe iLTS/Town - - Killing_You Chop/Town Voe/Town - iLikeToSnipe Voe/Mafia Chop/Mafia Orange/Town ChopBam KY/Mafia Orange/Mafia Chop/Mafia OrangeP47 Voe/Town KY/Town iLTS/Town Claim

Same. Here have some more.

I'll start with some charts, gimme a bit.

Can we extend this game the entire year so it ends on Dec 31? That way I could use that time to make my decision and watch while these two fight it out that entire time.

If iLTS is Mafia, that is some serious chess going on because killing you was suspecting Orange and I was suspecting iLTS. this would be easier for him as Mafia if I was dead and killing you was still alive.

Fuck both of you guys for putting me in this position. Whichever one of you killed killing you did a hell of a job

Get well soon man.

If you actually die this evening, as you have predicted, then you will no longer be a suspect in my book. That would be very useful information to me indeed, and of course I would revisit your posts and Orange scum read with a new perspective, so it wouldn't exactly be 50% between Orange and KY, would it? IDK man, iLTS seems very volatile and is acting exactly as he did when he was scum during the game that I was being tunneled hard by him. The way he wanted to lynch Orange suddenly... it wasn't a way to convince me because departing from the "no lynch on D2" plan would need a much bigger reason than the one he provided. He describes his railing on Orange today as a , which by itself shouldn't warrant such a thing. Also I would be interested if the sane cop is still alive to come out with some claims on D3. Cause that could be an awesome show and definitely give us more information.