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Is there anybody else who agrees with Inferno on my posts?

Several others were for a D1 lynch. Why go for me instead of them?

Well, if you're really the cop, how about you look through the content of my posts and combine that with your result.

Just saw Mojo's post.

Just a heads up, but you shouldn't be editing your post.

I'm getting some pretty scummy vibes from Mojo. Seems weird that he's trying to support me, but not by supporting my posts. Just by constantly saying I could be the miller. The only time that there should be discussion of who the miller is is when the cop gets a guilty verdict or somebody flips vanilla mafia.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but vanilla scum has nothing to do with it. Cop gets alignment, not role. If he gets mafia it could be miller, vanilla, lawyer, or janitor.

Cause I'm waiting for a counter claim and can only post so much on phone.

In the games I've run, everything is completely random. I'm pretty sure Jeod is the same way. If you're claiming cop then I know that I'm the miller.

Need to think about it more, but a cop claim with results might be needed. Even if they got town results it would help.

I think our odds are good today. Since we know you're town we know that our odds of randomly getting scum are 50/50. With scum hunting that should get better. Will probably make a post later tomorrow when I'm home.

On mobile so it's harder for me to search. What were ChopBam's cop claims? Might be who he targeted.

With Jeod's clarification on role mechanics, I think it's safe to say that Cat5 is town. Nobody has counter-claimed oracle and I highly doubt that scum would get so lucky that they janitor Orange as the oracle and he forgets to target somebody N1. So, with no player revealed from Orange's death, he couldn't have been the oracle. Cat5, myself, and Mojo seem to be the most active players right now (by a wide margin). I would think that at least one mafia member would be active in the game. With Cat5 confirmed town, that's down to me and Mojo. If you look at the content of our posts, I've been scumhunting and Mojo has been lolrandom. I think there's a very good chance that Mojo is scum. As for finding the rest of the scum team, I'm not too sure. Not that great at figuring out which inactives are scum and which are town.

@Nodlied When it comes to being "counter-offensive", I think you'd have a point if all I was doing was attacking. But I'm not, I'm defending myself as best I can for every point made against me while trying to also scum hunt. You can't say the same for Cat5. He'll make an attack against somebody or some group and then once the flaws are pointed out he just drops it and makes another attack. Let's say Cat5 made a scum gambit by claiming oracle and starting a suicide lynch. Why would he do that? Well, if he pulled it off (which he has if he's scum) he'd have a lot of trust from town; again, he had my complete trust until the beginning of this day. As other players have agreed with me (namely Nodlied and Chopbam), we shouldn't be lynching town power roles. If Cat5 knows who town is and can get one of his scum buddies in on it, he has a pretty good chance of eliminating or reducing the likelihood of getting lynched. It's not that big of a risk that he'll actually be lynched. The biggest risk is from a counter claim. However, if scum knows that they got the oracle it's not a risk at all and actually makes this a very effective scum gambit. That's a whole lot of ifs, which is why I didn't even consider it until after reading through all of Cat5's posts. The only town thing I can find about him is the role claim. That's it. His scum hunting hasn't been townish. He didn't actually do anything to defend FRAYDO. I can't think of anything he's actually done to indicate he's town. Normally that's a null read for me, but I've already made a post showing the scummy stuff he's done. So, I've got one big thing Cat5 did that seems like a town thing to do. But there's a whole lot of scummy stuff he's done. I'm just trying to reconcile one with the other. Does anybody else have any feedback? @Inferno, @TheIrishman, and @Shade939 have been awfully quiet. For who could be scum team, the only players I can really find anything on that's actually scummy and not just suspicious are Cat5 and Mojoman. I'm not sure if both are scum, but they're my top two suspects. Mojoman seems to be trying too hard to be randomlol and it's rubbing me the wrong way. I'm also suspicious of Inferno; it looks like he's trying to not be associated with anybody, but he's too inactive to know for sure.

To be specific, the one Jeod posted. Looking at a few wikis quickly I don't see anything like that.

Oh? Can you show me where that ability is with the role descriptions?

I don't care about Cat5 going after me alone, that's fine. What stands out to me is his claim for who the scum team is. Again, it feels like he just threw something together. Isn't "counter-offensive" something Cat5 has been doing?

False. I thought about that, but the role says "previous night target". There was no previous night target on N1.

Well, make time for it tonight. It's still relevant after a nolynch. I feel like I'm the only town member putting effort in to seriously scum hunt.

And why couldn't you have said half of that yesterday in his defense? I don't recall seeing any of that, all you did was make several posts about sacrificing yourself to clear him. How am I not supposed to see that as scummy?

Again, I didn't think it was a gambit at all yesterday; I was convinced that Cat5 was town as well. What changed my mind was him trying to force a case against myself, Mojo, and Shade as a scum team without any reasoning. Go back and read through the post I made. Cat5 has made accusations all game, he hasn't backed up any of them with any reasoning or evidence. Just look at his behavior. I make this huge post about how he's acting scummy and he doesn't respond to any of it to defend himself. He only takes two things I said and tries to lamely spin it against me.

How am I doing that with no votes cast on me after I already said that I was going to no lynch?

What tactical disadvantage? Town losing a power role? If you really are town, at best you were willing to sacrifice yourself for an unknown player. Yes, if you really are the oracle we would have known what alignment FRAYDO was when you died. But before you died, we couldn't have known. It's kind of weird that you were so sure about his alignment. One thing you keep on refusing to do is actually go back and try to argue against the points I made against FRAYDO. Seriously, what made you sure he was town before he flipped?

##vote nolynch Please don't be like FRAYDO and actually defend yourself. The only experience I can recall with a janitor is that they know the role of the player they kill. If that's not typically the case I wouldn't know. Also, could you clarify your last point? It's kind of vague.

@Category 5 Hurricane If you're really town, I'd appreciate it if you respond to as much as you can in my previous post. https://w3dhub.com/forum/topic/416874-day-three-open-janitorial-mafia/?do=findComment&comment=658135 I've looking through everything so far, and I think I can see a few patterns. Your responses will be key.