Shade939
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2 minutes ago, Retaliation said:
And did cat5 ever say Jeod was right?
Indeed he did. Although, rereading it, it does seem like he believed it to be a gambit in catching Jeod knowing extra information about his role. Which I would assume would be because he was talking with Irish in the scum doc, but a simple answer is also that Category 5 told him and he was trying to cover up the mistake.
Which I do find to be particularly frustrating, since it seems contradictory to all of his behavior so far. At a minimum, he should have been going after Irish and focusing on him, instead of going through a list of basically all of the other players in game and me debating with him why they were cleared. That's a standard scum tactic, to keep your lynch options open.
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2 minutes ago, Retaliation said:
Don't know, he's also not the one throwing out ideas like conversion abilities in an 8 player game.
Of course you don't, Jeod's the one who claimed his role ability for him.
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1 minute ago, Retaliation said:
Yeah because Irish was roleblocked on a night we had no kill. That's natural. He also didn't go hard on Irish and let Irish defend himself.
And what is his role claim?
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From my view point, it seems like Category 5 was trying to push the lynch unto Irish instead of Jeod. Which raises my question of how was Irish actually jailed by Category 5?
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There's a particular post where Category 5 gets mad at Jeod claiming he was jailed, when if he had stayed quite, Irish would have been the only player to claim to be roleblocked.
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But Jeod kind of dug himself a hole, instead of accidentally claiming he was roleblocked or should I say jailed.
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Just now, Retaliation said:
I think if either Cat5 or Shade were scum they would have spent much more time focusing on Irish being blocked and the lack of kill rather than let the conversation steer toward Jeod.
I did that, not Category 5, he wanted to vote Irish first..
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6 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
That is contradictory. If you assume that Jeod cannot have been fooled by my role because of his items, then he also cannot have been stopped by Louis. It doesn't work both ways.
Not at all even remotely accurate. At a minimum Jeod would have to know someone can redirect his actions. And you don't have the same ability do you?
And I'm ignoring everything that I did to get Jeod lynched yesterday by the way, because there'd be no point in having thus conversation at all then.
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He wouldn't fall for an ability he knew was in game, and would have absolutely no reason to claim he was jailed.
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10 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
I'm just going to go with my gut here and say that Jeod was the one doing the NK, got swapped back to himself, and that's why the NK didn't happen. Since that means he targeted Irishman, that would evidently make him clear. Jeod claimed to be passing an item, and Shade claimed Jeod had three items and that he's geared to counter town roles, of which there happens to be 3. This sounds like he accidentally revealed too much.
##vote Shade939
We already discussed how your ability wouldn't have worked if Jeod had an item to counter it.
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3 minutes ago, Louis said:
What I don't get is that you guys are voting for Irish because you don't trust thay he was able to check Chopbam's alignment? I just think that you are looking for something that probably isn't there.
There's a stronger case against Category 5 if Irish is lynched first revealing his alignment, but if everyone else is already convinced I don't mind going for him now.
##Vote Category 5 Hurricane
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16 minutes ago, TheIrishman said:
Oh, I can see this being used against me because I could choose not to NK if I was scum. So you can lynch me after Cat5 either way result. Then shade after in case I'm wrong on Cat5.
I'd be willing to consider it, but I'm just one vote.
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10 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
I'll restate this for the last time, the idea that there was a alignment change is too outlandish to be considered, just for a game setup standpoint. Allowing a conversion role in a game of this size would result in a possible 37% mafia size, and a game that could end at the start of Day 2. The game already stood to be alarmingly short as it is.
Especially when you're the one being accused of having the ability.
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7 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
Now that you mention it, the mere fact that the game is still going is pretty weird. Given no NKs so far, I wouldn't have been surprised if the remaining member conceeded. But I don't stretch the logic there to that extent, I more consider it a result of the confidence of whoever is left. Whoever remains must be confident their game position is strong enough to win from, otherwise why spend the time?
You'd still have obvious signs of someone being scum from when Jeod was lynched. Three mafia members are far better than two.
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Just now, TheIrishman said:
Git gud
Like Louis!
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7 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
I mean, proving I have the role I say I do shouldn't change anything with regards to my own suspicion, and your reasoning for lynching the claimed cop in TheIrishman is the most flawed thing I've seen all game, especially given that better reasons for doing so exist. But I'm not against the result in particular.
To be fair, can you picture a way for Mafia to win this game other than a conversion ability?
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##Vote TheIrishMan
That'll work for me for various reasons then, I'm pretty certain that Irish wanted to see about getting Retaliation lynched with his ability, so assuming a conversion has happened that does exclude Louis from the equation. And I think we've already gone through why no one else is likely to be scum.
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Oh yeah, and if Category 5 is a bus driver, his ability should happen before Louis's action so he can role block me instead!
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Very well, since Category 5 said his ability has a one night cool down, can I propose a simple test then, based on the assumption there are not three mafia now?
Shall we lynch Irish, see if that'll end the game, and if not @ Louis will role block Category 5 so he couldn't convert anyone?
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4 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
Shall I assume you are claiming to be tractor beam or something?
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So, @ Category 5 Hurricane , have I given you sufficient reasoning to claim your role and ability now, to counteract the possibility of you having an ability to say make Irish part of the Mafia so he could claim to be jailed when he wasn't?
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@ Retaliation , time to back up the flavor of a trusted ally betraying you in this setting.
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Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:
Ok, nevermind. You're going too far with the imagination thing now.
Not really, you remember that other game KY hosted where Jeod was a cyborg cult leader...
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1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:
Frankly that is for others to decide. I'm not fully set on you, as it is. Your own arguments have actually been swaying me away from TheIrishman, but towards you. Remembering D1 and D2 though leads me back to TheIrishman in what I think is still a more logical case, outside of your potential slip on the number of items Jeod had. The lack of a kill N1 has still not be solidly explained, and TheIrishman was left to be capable of attacking N2.
What about if I asked if you had the ability the change a players alignment to be part of the mafia?
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[GAME OVER- ATREIDES VICTORY] Battle for Dune Mafia 1
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Not to mention, if we can establish that the vote is between him and Irish, then claiming his own role and ability to see if it makes sense would be the Town thing to do wouldn't it?