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I still have a contradiction to solve with you, Shade. There are still too many actions taken on you. We have TheIrishman's Possession/Roleblock combo, and we have ChopBam's pie. You also at one point claimed two "town" actions. Were those actions, or items?

I think the only appropriate statement I can say right now is: What the fuck?

I....don't really understand what that means. I'm guessing you're saying that if you weren't roleblocked, you could have told us the number of hostile actions?

You roleclaimed? Did I miss this?

Oh. I don't care about your comment that I'm fishing on Shade, frankly.

There were a couple contradictions with the idea that Retaliation had done the possession, because if Retaliation attempted to possess Shade but was roleblocked, Shade shouldn't have been effected in any way. The story didn't match up quite right. The only way I could think of this being true is if Jeod allowed the flavor of the possession to pass even though the roleblock prevented the action from working.

I'm not sure what you mean. In my last post before I went to bed, I suggested that I had a scenario that Shade was lying, and that scenario was that Shade did possession of Retaliation and was roleblocked because Retaliation was roleblocked. Sunflower said she roleblocked Retaliation long ago now.

Well, I was wondering how Retaliation could possess someone while being roleblocked. I was actually going to claim that Shade did the possessing of Retaliation and that's why both were roleblocked, but I guess this works, too. Having two roleblocks means we have two reasons why the NK could have failed. Also having two roleblockers usually (but not always) means one of them is not town.

While I still haven't found a scenario where both are town, I have built one where Shade is lying, and I think it fits the known information even better than the Scum!Retaliation case, so I'm removing my vote for now. ##unvote

Shade, you're saying that you were roleblocked, is this correct?

Well, I suppose the other could be that either ChopBam or TheIrishman have some sort of possession ability. This would require the roleblock and lack of NK to be coincidence, though.

Ok, so Retal has an angle he could take if he were innocent, but he's not doing that, so... Right now it looks like one of Shade or Retaliation has to be lying here. I'm trying to build a scenario where both could be telling the truth (or they are both town, regardless of the amount of truth being used) and so far I'm failing.

Not all the info fits together perfectly, yet. There are some holes I'm hoping to fill, which we may get from Retaliation's response.

Retaliation historically doesn't take pressure very well when he's scum. So the earlier you can pressure him, the better. As soon as Shade's story started to line up with other information, I didn't see reason to delay. Although, I guess I need to clarify with @Jeod that early hammer does not apply in this game?

Talkin' about me?

Ok, I think the story fits together well enough to be actionable. ##vote Retaliation

Which I suppose does make me wonder why there would be two similar roles in the same game, one probably a hostile TP and the other a neutral, but I'm not thinking too hard on that yet as I don't have much evidence in any direction.

Oh, and to specifically reply to the idea of "marking" and setting off things, I feel like the virus thing Nodlied mentioned is a better candidate for that.

My Zero role was a combination of things. It was like a jailer, arsonist, and a hunter, all in one role. I'd jail my target, plant a bomb in them, and if that player visited me after, they'd blow up. To win, I needed bombs in at least half of the alive players, with a bonus given for any bomb exploded by the player visiting me.

ChopBam's role is weird. I'm currently inclined to think he has a role where he has to pie at least half of the alive players when the game ends. Would act similarly to my Zero role during the Halloween game. It doesn't seem like his pies do other things. So a neutral that doesn't even need to be alive to win, maybe? Alright, so with Shade's newest claim, how many actions do we have now? 1) "Town action" 2) "Town action" 3) ChopBam's pie delivery 4) Possession 5) Roleblocker So we sit at five actions now. Any possibility that some of these could be combined?

Yes, you're trying to hide something, and I can tell. That's why it looks scummy. I'm frustrated because I think you're probably leaving out information that would be useful to us, and that it's plausible that the scum team already know that this supposed action failed, in which case leaving us in the dark just hurts us. I could decide the think along the lines that you're making this up to cover for something else. As far as that goes, I guess I have to wait for what others say.

Oh my god, can you please go figure out what happened to you and then report back to us once you've actually figured out what the fuck you are talking about? All this "wishy-washy i dunno" bullshit really looks like a scum trying to make up a story, but I currently believe you to be town. So please, figure it out.

You could tell me if you know why it failed, if you think it's important that you keep exactly why unclear.

As always when I'm talking with you, I'm trying to figure out how much you actually know, and how much you're trying to guess.

Yes, but your explanations continue to be lacking in detail and certainty. You said you "believe" that someone attempted to possess you.