ChopBam

I guess that's the curse of having a cop role that's not 100% sure on his reports. Rolesheet. Again. And so, realizing this, I ended up hardclaiming.

Prevent it by voting ChopBam. Can also prevent it by voting FRAYDO, whom you, Voe, also suspect.

I see the rest of what you're saying but going to respond to this. The rolesheet says I'm sane from the start. Read it again.

Seeing as you've already made all the conclusions about this game yourself, oh mighty, investigative, 100% sure townsperson who doesn't visit anybody at night, are you so sure I didn't just run out to lunch with my wife who came to the office for a surprise visit after she got off work early at her gym job? I'd show you the text but it's probably not allowed. Everyone else: Please note how Voe jumps on and twists the vaguest of circumstances to suit the [completely ludicrous] scenario he's completely convinced himself of. Sorry Jeod, I've had no choice but to defend myself. You can call it piss-poor all you want, but correct me later on how I could have better responded. Nodlied, how as a cop can I be 100% sure that a town investigation result is valid? Hmmm? The fact that third party and spies may show up as town is consistent with the rolesheet and consistent with how I've been responding. I felt SOFT claiming was important so smart players like Jeod could figure it out (read: he did), but Voe kept pushing for a hard claim. I already said this before. Why do cops need to straight-out hardclaim immediately? It will make them a nightkill target. I made this clear.

So in the end, if you have no good reasons to go after me, I'll chalk it up to revenge posting for the last two games I was scum and outlasted you. To which I say:

Town who don't visit at night should be unsure because there are multiple possibilities. Scum are the sure ones. So tell me, are you sure? If this proof was in the post that I so easily rebutted before, Alstar better have a good reason to be bandwagoning with you, because he doesn't want us to give him discounts for being new.

I'm not selectively ignorant. You're tripping on your own legs, post after post after post, and then you accuse me of ignorance. Says the guy who is completely ignoring possible/likely scenarios because he has convinced himself of a particular thing. The only explanation that I can come up with for this behavior is that you are not town.

Voe, the thing about you that confuses me this round is that you are being selectively ignorant in pushing a case very strongly, while at the same time sounding genuinely interested in a pro-town result.

I don't think he was asking the GM.....

FINALLY!!! Although, what good info did we get from Verti flipping? And in the end it only brought us closer to MYLO.

Are you sure about that? All I see is which seems pretty soft. If there was even possibility of LYLO, shouldn't the GM have said so in the day opening post, rather than a mere "mislynch could result in a scum win"?

Maybe I really wanted to see who Jeod was? It was important to do, considering our past games and Jeod's D1 actions, especially tunneling for a Verti lynch. I also thought it would be important to investigate him considering that he seems to play the same way as town and scum (which Cat5 said in another game, and which I agree with now). 1) Cat5 went pretty hard on Verti D1, along with some others of us. 2) Cat5 only made posts during the joke phase because that was the only time he was alive. I'm guessing you're referring to this post (reasoning which has already been responded to): And this is bad because..? And the fact you wanted them to come out and hardclaim immediately was telling to me that you wanted to know who the cops were so you could kill them. Oh but I did. You really don't read posts. Not so. My continued, unanswered questions on why no lynching is bad, in the face of all opposition from the vets, does not seem like a bandwagon to me. Your confusing behavior is making me flip flop on you, and that's it. The fact remains,

Of course, your saying this might let the scum leave me alive in the hopes that I'd be lynched tomorrow. This could play in our favor, as I'd have another night to investigate. Unlikely, though.

You're making a bigger deal out of my rapid responses than needs to be made. Among all the ridiculousness you've spouted about me being scum, you made the case that Jeod, FRAYDO, and I are on a baddie team. Well, why don't we make us all happy and lynch FRAYDO? If I've bussed him, then he is scum and town will live another day (minus probably me). Mafia edit: I know that last parenthetical note probably doesn't make sense. I was inserting the idea that I will likely be nightkilled tonight as I have hardclaimed PR, and not continuing off the idea of myself bussing fraydo.

You know what, Voe, if we can agree on nothing else, but that FRAYDO is scum, let's go after FRAYDO. KY makes a good point, and Jeod hasn't ruled him out. ##vote FRAYDO itjustmakessense.jpg

You tell me, mr softclaim cop. If you actually read posts, you'd see I already asked the question and linked to the mafia wiki.

Oh, so smug still I see.

What if Jeod is the serial killer?

You make a very town-sounding post, but then say stuff like this. It's why I'm flip-flopping on you so hard. And why would this be? You've claimed you can't visit people. Not even a PR claim. Voe, I swear if you're town... I'm not so sure on this, BUT it caused me to question what would the cop's report show up as if he investigated a serial killer? Would the serial killer show up as vanilla, as the wiki suggests?

Not correct. If that happens, mafia can make it 3:3 - and thats the point where town is on lost position. Im not sure how 3 to 3 lynch votes are solved, but if its via dice roll - then situation will happen next day if they are extremely lucky as scum might have more than 1 killing option. Do you understand MYLO, bro? In a MYLO situation, town can still afford to no lynch. If they can afford to no lynch, then they can definitely afford to kill a serial killer. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mislynch-and-Lose

If the serial killer is lynched today, then there will be only ONE nightkill tonight. Since today is MYLO rather than LYLO, I think we can get away with lynching the serial killer. Are you sure this is true?

Uh, you know I also voted no lynch too, right? For some reason the vets are all very secretive about why it's so bad. When did this thread turn into a scumdoc?

Wait, serial killers can't be vote-lynched?

If you're actually town, you're going to have fun eating these words.

Dammit Voe, why do you have to sound so much like town now? My vote keeps wanting to switch between you and FRAYDO.