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With that being explained, I could see Louis jailing FRAYDO intentionally I suppose. With items such as killer drones in play (and who knows what else), I was able to see a swap and a kill happening from the same person in the same night. Very well. You made a big case about it on D2. Town did the rest of the work after lynching Jeod, but you definitely played a big role in swaying them to that point of view. Beyond this, it was strange to me that he went from being suspect #1 in your book to just completely falling off your scumdar. It may be true and it's unfortunate if so, but it's also unverifiable to me. Scum have definitely used the excuse of real life to cover for their timing or other apparent slips before. I can't rule it out.

I feel like I missed something.. maybe I'll ask after the game what caused the penalty vote because I'm a bit confused.

This wouldn't be a true Mafia game if you weren't jailed by RNG. Lord for the sake of all that is memes please let it have been RNG.

You responded with a quote tree of your own, but it kinda misses the point. I wasn't saying quote trees by themselves make a strong case. It was the the content and context of the quote tree that was relevant. They had heavy-hitting stuff on each other right out of the gate on D2 and lasted all day. I don't think Jeod or Shade would fake this. They don't have the personality or the brazenness. And Jeod wouldn't complain about how he wasted so much time trading blows with Shade and making cases against him if it was all meant to be a ruse anyway. Your and Jeod's exchange, on the other hand, actually fits the bill way better, so thank you for saving me the work of posting that quote tree. I think it actually follows a bit what I said about how scum tend to sus each other out with varying degrees of softness when the circumstance calls for it, something which does not apply to Jeod/Shade. I've noted that you didn't respond to this section of my post at all. You responded to the Light Infantry thing, and made some jape about quote trees, but nothing responding to what I said about how outlandish it would be for Our AUM Shade, SHADE, (SHADE???), in a brief move of blazing brilliance, to choose tails over heads and target himself for a nightkill in order to successfully kill Louis through your unwitting actions (???), and simultaneously fool Louis into jailing FRAYDO for some reason (). More Notes Cat5 took forever to admit he was a bus driver. He was happy to suggest and to leave us guessing that he could be a role blocker or watcher (town looks more favorably on RB/watchers than bussing roles), but Jeod suggested the bus thing for Cat5 early on. A slip? Not sure. This part honestly confused me a bit. Cat5 eventually admitted to being a bus driver after having it called out and being an unavoidable thing, but wouldn't elaborate at all to any of us about its limitations or how it works. Posted pink tractors, and even now when he's "okay with being voted," he's still holding this close to the chest for some reason, as if (in the case of him dying and flipping town), it helps town somehow to still have this information left unknown. I'll note that I have seen no evidence at all of these secrets being helpful to town. He certainly suggests that they weren't a help last night (or forgot about that part of his story, I don't know). Cat5 has said multiple times he is okay getting voted. This also confuses me a bit, but could pass as a gamble of nonchalance. "With very little left to lose, if I express that I don't mind being voted in order to clear the air, maybe they'll vote for the other guy." Cat5 did what I thought was a lot of really good sleuth work throughout the first part of this game, with a post count typical of his play style when he's town. Up to this point though I've sort of ignored the fact that he pushed hard for Irish as #1 scum suspect ahead of Jeod, when in reality Jeod was scum and Irish was town. Was okay calling Jeod scum #2, but only after a day of heavy pressure from most players against Jeod. Cat5, our quote trees are as different as night and day, Mr. "I was on board with lynching real scum, see I voted for Jeod 40 minutes before hammer after his fate was basically sealed already at 4v3". Cat5 didn't express surprise, remorse, or any other evidence of a changed disposition at Irish flipping town the following day, despite prioritizing him ahead of Jeod most of Day 2. A big 🚩🚩🚩 for me at the start of this Day was when Cat5 opened right out of the gate with guns blazing with something about how Shade outfoxed him at the last and then came in hot with this story about how Shade attempted a suicidal nightkill. Could be legit in way I guess maybe if you squint? But to me and to all the rest of the seven hells, this bell rings a much stronger toll as attempted narrative control. Yes I am aware, in a great stroke of unluck, I suppose a town player could look as sussy as this too. To varying degrees the stars have aligned just wrong for me before. But I don't know man, at some point I gotta look at it and combine it with the rest of the case information we have, and in my book if we eliminate the assumptions and what appears as most likely to be really strange mental gymnastics regarding Shade, this snowball has rolled down the hill too far and become too large to stop. ##vote Category 5 @ Shade939 You said you were gonna come back to at least cast a vote today? @ FRAYDO Got thoughts?

Shade is known to say a lot of things that make little to zero sense, as town or scum. Being our resident AUM, this makes him the easiest scapegoat ever for scum. Picking out the stuff he says is almost like a free ride. While this bit may be somewhat trivial, I figured I would include it since it sticks out to me. It's the exact same role that I have, and from the description Shade has made of it, I share his description of it as well. One could say "Shade knows the Dune flavor" but KY's game could have any set amount of roles that do any number of things, and I don't think it's a coincidence that Shade's roleclaim and description are very close to my own. Now, onto the things you have been saying @ Category 5 Hurricane . Let's break down these implications a bit. You point out all the contradictory things Shade is saying, and mentioning slipping out too much information about what items are in play, and more. But in the middle of all this easy scum Shade slippage, you suggest he has a moment of extreme clarity and luck, and can fool both Louis and you (even after fishing for more information about your role, to which you responded with a pink tractor in order to keep that information from him), ending up using reverse psychology successfully to target himself for a night kill and to get our jailor killed. Calling this far-fetched is putting it lightly. Combine with this the fact that Shade and Jeod were fighting tooth and nail in this thread to try to get each other voted, and you suggest to us with a straight face that they were on a scum team together. This could have been some serious big brain on their part, but knowing what I know about both Jeod and Shade, I don't think they would invent, organize, and then execute something like such a complicated matrix of in-fighting so early when there was absolutely no need to. This war between Shade and Jeod wasn't composed of a few half-hearted tit-for-tats that we occasionally see between scum when they are afraid one may get lynched so the other distances themself for town. This seems to have started at the beginning of D2 when Shade started pretending he knew something, and Jeod said he was going to shoot shade, and it only became more serious from there, right up until the time Jeod was voted off. I'll also point out the sussing and discussion between them was a great deal of interaction that could have simply taken place in the scum doc if they were together. What follows for the rest of this post is an abridged summary of the fighting between the two. I'll note again this started at the beginning of D2 when there was no reason for two scum members to fight. On that I completely agree.

The only case where I can see Louis jailing FRAYDO intentionally is if she considered him a scum suspect or suspected him to be the target last night. Being that she suspected you and not FRAYDO, and that FRAYDO is not a power role to be targeted by a NK, do you see any precedent for her to target FRAYDO? And if you swapped Louis and Shade, why didn't Shade get jailed instead? It sounds like it should be pretty simple, but am I misunderstanding how this works?

When did you accidentally give away that you were switching Louis' target to FRAYDO?

Knowledge != Intelligence

A description or a prescription, you think?

I was kind of okay leaving this to RNG. Honestly the result surprises me slightly.

Yes Vanilla scum who voted Jeod both days, and prioritized Jeod's lynch when there was at least one other viable choice.

You indicated at the start of the day that you used an item on me, and also said I was cleared as town (without claiming a separate ability). It's easy to infer a link between the item and the investigative result, being that you used them both on the same person and only directly claimed the item rather than a full ability.

And yes this is quite far-fetched.

This is kind of my gut read as well, but with Cat5 as a possible alternative. At the end of the day when he was on the chopping block, Jeod expressed frustration with the inactive players here, and it's possible he was actually speaking less about the town inactives and more about a scum buddy who was inactive, so Jeod got frustrated with pulling all the weight. Now that Jeod is gone, notice that there is more activity from Irish. This line of reasoning would indicate Irish didn't investigate me, and leave him free to make an attempt on Louis' life.

Beyond the idea that bussing isn't really a town thing, Cat5 was able to distance himself from Jeod just enough in the last few days and even after outright calling Jeod scum, still tried to push Irish for the lynch anyway. I am curious to hear more about his abilities, however, especially these "limitations" he keeps bringing up. If your usefulness is limited at this point, what harm could come in a roleclaim? You're still keeping things pretty close to the chest, even when asked about those things. Why keep it so close to the chest if the usefulness is limited? It could be keeping key parts of the puzzle out of the light. If you get lynched and die with your secrets, what use is it then?

I was under the impression that your item was what gave you the investigative ability. Do you also have a built-in investigative ability in addition to the item you had?

Call this midnight brain, but I just realized I suggested two simultaneous, contradictory situations of Cat5. Independently though I think they could stand. If he is a scum bus boy, the latter situation is more likely (unable to bus and attempt NK in the same night). Claiming limitations without explaining why is pretty convenient, especially when the only person that's died so far is scum, and town has a lot less risk now.

FRAYDO made a decent, independent case against Jeod regarding his changing story. Just to double confirm that the item thing was flavor, I refreshed my PM and I definitely don't have an item. One question I actually have is whether Louis is sure she really successfully blocked Retaliation, or if her target got swapped to someone else again. Before anyone objects to Cat5's claims about limitations, we can, in Cat5's own words, use our imaginations. Such as, I don't know, not being able to both bus and attempt a nightkill on the same night. His public lampooning of Jeod does give me pause, however, although he was really trying to still prioritize Irish's lynch over Jeod's. I don't think this scenario applies to Shade or myself, who were pretty much going for Jeod since the start.

Left me an item? I don't think I received anything..

With just vanilla abilities here also, I'm just kinda riding along.

Yeah buddy I just spent the whole game bussing my partner. It was so outlandish (and mixed with desperate town claims) that I just wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying.

Can't tell if Jeod was just being in character for all of this or if he's actually being genuinely upset in the parts that claim "no point in playing or hosting," "wasting a good part of the day," and "participation abuse."

Your personal expressions of incredulity are unconvincing to me. I'd hope that even you would admit that lynching you at this point should answer more questions that we really need to have answered.

Finding the partner is indeed one piece of the puzzle. Usually I put bigger stock in this piece of the puzzle, but honestly you've been all over the place this game, and considering the combination of the numerous disconnected bits with all the chaos and confusion you've introduced this game, I'm happy to eliminate some of that confusion and chaos by lynching a liar. If you are town, then this is something you pretty much did to yourself.

I read your long post again, and the closest thing I can find to an answer is something we already knew: that your PM said you attempted to pass your item. And some things about how you worded this to the rest of us. But I'm not seeing where you said explicitly whether you still have the item or not.