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Beyond the idea that bussing isn't really a town thing, Cat5 was able to distance himself from Jeod just enough in the last few days and even after outright calling Jeod scum, still tried to push Irish for the lynch anyway. I am curious to hear more about his abilities, however, especially these "limitations" he keeps bringing up. If your usefulness is limited at this point, what harm could come in a roleclaim? You're still keeping things pretty close to the chest, even when asked about those things. Why keep it so close to the chest if the usefulness is limited? It could be keeping key parts of the puzzle out of the light. If you get lynched and die with your secrets, what use is it then?

I was under the impression that your item was what gave you the investigative ability. Do you also have a built-in investigative ability in addition to the item you had?

Call this midnight brain, but I just realized I suggested two simultaneous, contradictory situations of Cat5. Independently though I think they could stand. If he is a scum bus boy, the latter situation is more likely (unable to bus and attempt NK in the same night). Claiming limitations without explaining why is pretty convenient, especially when the only person that's died so far is scum, and town has a lot less risk now.

FRAYDO made a decent, independent case against Jeod regarding his changing story. Just to double confirm that the item thing was flavor, I refreshed my PM and I definitely don't have an item. One question I actually have is whether Louis is sure she really successfully blocked Retaliation, or if her target got swapped to someone else again. Before anyone objects to Cat5's claims about limitations, we can, in Cat5's own words, use our imaginations. Such as, I don't know, not being able to both bus and attempt a nightkill on the same night. His public lampooning of Jeod does give me pause, however, although he was really trying to still prioritize Irish's lynch over Jeod's. I don't think this scenario applies to Shade or myself, who were pretty much going for Jeod since the start.

Left me an item? I don't think I received anything..

With just vanilla abilities here also, I'm just kinda riding along.

Yeah buddy I just spent the whole game bussing my partner. It was so outlandish (and mixed with desperate town claims) that I just wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying.

Can't tell if Jeod was just being in character for all of this or if he's actually being genuinely upset in the parts that claim "no point in playing or hosting," "wasting a good part of the day," and "participation abuse."

Your personal expressions of incredulity are unconvincing to me. I'd hope that even you would admit that lynching you at this point should answer more questions that we really need to have answered.

Finding the partner is indeed one piece of the puzzle. Usually I put bigger stock in this piece of the puzzle, but honestly you've been all over the place this game, and considering the combination of the numerous disconnected bits with all the chaos and confusion you've introduced this game, I'm happy to eliminate some of that confusion and chaos by lynching a liar. If you are town, then this is something you pretty much did to yourself.

I read your long post again, and the closest thing I can find to an answer is something we already knew: that your PM said you attempted to pass your item. And some things about how you worded this to the rest of us. But I'm not seeing where you said explicitly whether you still have the item or not.

mafia edit: "Do you know.." ??

So, do know whether you're still holding the item or don't you?

Heard the phrase "lynch all liars"? Your claims seem to shift to whatever most conveniences you in the moment.

Well I suppose I am comfortable again re-adding my vote. ##vote Jeod

I suppose it is possible that the GM actually used Jeod's name in the message receipt. It'd just be confusing, which I suppose lends credence to Louis' confusion. I am used to Verti60 games where he just says "target" and I have no idea who the actual target is, if there is a bussing action.

Glad to see you're on the same page as the rest of us now. :D Wording is important, especially in answering clarifying questions.

Ok, so it sounds like you are changing your answer to my question. So instead of "yes, specifically." You meant "[no,] I targeted Jeod in my action but it could have been redirected."

I know this, and is the reason I asked her this specific question. Contrary to my expectation she doubled down and said it was confirmed to be Jeod. 🤷‍♀️

Louis has also contradicted this. So now you and Louis have two points of contradiction with each other. The PM stating the name of the target (Louis says Jeod was named), versus just "target" without naming who the target was (Cat5 says the GM can't confirm). Louis says she targeted Jeod specifically, and Cat5 says she targeted Irishman specifically.

@ Louis Cat5 didn't claim to roleblock Irish. You and Cat5 are contradicting each other.

I've heard "tracked," "watched," "jailed," and "roleblocked" when it comes to Cat5's ability. Have any of those been confirmed as claimed by him?

I think either Cat5 or Louis is lying.

##unvote More things to think about, but Jeod's not off the hook.

You were told specifically that you detained Jeod? Not just "target" or whatever?