FRAYDO

I wonder about this. Recall our GM confirmation earlier. And recall too our currently proposed headcount. 3 Town, 2 Scum, 2 Neutral If Killing_You were to be lynched today, we do not know which alignment he will revive as. We are liable to place ourselves in one of two ways: 4 Town, 2 Scum, 1 Neutral or 3 Town, 3 Scum, 1 Neutral I do not believe Killing You is our safest lynch today.

Fortunately, it is not true. Naming someone as my heir changes nothing of their alignment. Town, Scum, Third-Party, Neutral, they can be whatever they want to be and will remain so. I only ask that they take over the factory for me when this game is over. However, I have yet to name my heir and cannot do so until this upcoming night.

Sure thing! I'll keep you informed.

So your first response is to refute nothing of KY’s post and only cherry-pick the one mistake he made. Got it.

We did use to have Unit Tutorials for APB units back in the day. It may be worth recording some new ingame demonstrations for our games once we finish up the text entries for the Tacitus. It may be a long way until then though! lol

I say! Welcoming Killing_You into my factory seems to have been a good move! It looks to be quite a solid case, and I will allow him the honors to present it.

Recall that Cat5 claimed a Hider role, and his reaction to what had happened in his N1 seemed genuine. Louis passed her item to Cat5, which under normal circumstances should have been impossible save for one possibility. That being said, that one possibility supposedly did happen as Cat5 received the amulet from Louis. Cat5 cannot be responsible for the N1 NK attempt. You cannot just take Cat5's word for his action. Recall too that Louis herself claimed what she did with her item and who she passed it too, and successfully passed might I add. However, the case of Mojoman remains open for Cat5 being responsible. I believe his alibi for N1 holds up, but N2 would need to be re-examined.

Additionally, they are so open about it because it gives both participants Town vibes for everyone to see so they may then cross themselves off the suspect lists.

Well, I would like to say yes. In a game where we all seem to have laid out our cards very early, it's a possibility an open scum doc was laid out and we accepted it as a harmless mason, or as Orange claimed it a non-fatal mason.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BUY THIS GOD *mumble* *mumble* Jeod's Time of Death: 2:22 PM Your posts, Orange. First post, 2:24 PM to do Colbert emoji Second post, at 2:26 PM to vote Louis Follow up post at 2:26 PM "Make work for Retal" Fourth post, 3:07 PM More Shade ®  throw onto Louis NUMBER FIVE post, 3:12 PM "We don't know there are two scum, but we also don't know KY is neutral too" Sixth post, "I mean let's be real, killing Jeod just to see what he is is a pretty good reason, even if we're all still agro on Louis" I GUESS IN THE SHOCK I FORGOT JEOD DIED. HE ALSO DIED WITH A VERY IMPORTANT ITEM BUT I WON'T MENTION IT. I'm done. Rant over. Orange, you were so worried about an item thief and so insistent on keeping it out of sinister hands. Your all-so-powerful Party Profiler is nothing now, having died with Jeod as you so claimed now. I am going to stay mad about this.

A convenient claim. I can't help but continue to see this KY/Orange team. All game this has been happening. They clear and confirm each other and it would seem that KY has chosen to extend the doc with Orange yet again.

I do hope it's your first time visiting me. The last person I found inside my factory scared me to death! (the N1 NK) Hoping this person would not try again, but hey! Let's say I don't make it through the night. I'll lay out some questions now should you wish to answer since you seem to have bypassed one important one to instead point fingers at others. This important one being question 1. 1) Why did you bus our claimed Tracker, ChopBam? Would you not be only hindering Town efforts in doing so? 2) I can understand Nodlied being N1 for the sake of randomly choosing, but at what point was it determined ChopBam may be scum and should be bussed? Did you not like when he claimed to have tracked you N1? 3) You have been very helpful and contributing well, but what have your actions really even done to help Town? 4) What do you think of that bandwagon that took out iLTS D2? As I recall, Jeod started the wagon on the reasoning of iLTS' actions not sounding like a town role. I voted iLTS believing he was responsible for my N1 death. Following those posts, you immediately changed up your vote from Louis to iLTS making it three votes. Orange added yet another vote on iLTS. ChopBam stated he was "tempted to vote iLTS" but chose to leave it be at NoLynch. Nodlied seemed to have missed the vote. Following up on Cat5's argument, who do you suppose is most suspicious from the voting (or perhaps lack thereof)? For reference: D2 Cat5 Orange Chopbam No Lynch FRAYDO iLikeToSnipe iLikeToSnipe No Lynch Jeod iLikeToSnipe Killing You iLikeToSnipe Louis Mojoman Nodlied OrangeP47 iLikeToSnipe Sunflower No Lynch Anyhoo, hope to see you in the day!

So I am examining this now at the beginning of the day to see what I can determine from it. Supposedly, Nodlied took out a roleblock on you, ChopBam. The pumpkin that Nodlied was in was stated to have given him a bonus action, allowing him to place you in a painting and additionally placed another random target into a painting which happened to be Jeod. If I am viewing Killing_You as scum, I see this as a good opportunity to claim a visit on ChopBam to clear himself of being available to do the NK. Before moving on, we should review his claimed ability and effect. He has claimed a driver, and he also has claimed that his target's destination is random. N1 we have the claim that he bussed Nodlied, which incidentally led to Mojoman learning a new language. Interesting enough, I don't believe we ever did hear a claim of who Nodlied's original target was. @Nodlied may I trouble you to fill in that missing piece of information? N2 we have the claim that KY bussed ChopBam, which directed him to Nodlied's roleblock. It's odd for ChopBam's action to simply fail, but considering who he attempted to track and being placed inside a painting by his target, you could say that is confirmation in itself. The question I have then is why? I suppose this is more directed to Nodlied. Was it Nodlied's decision to roleblock ChopBam, our claimed tracker? Were that so, it's not a very good move when ChopBam was the least suspicious player at the time as opposed to when our previous thinking was either Louis or Cat5 for the N1 murder. I think it's very important to note here: We don't know if any bussing actions actually took place. Both nights can only be taken at KY's word. N1 it is possible he lied about his bus and aimed to kill me, and N2 he again took the opportunity to claim a bus action when he instead followed up with Mojo's N2 NK. N2 specifically, it's interesting to think that Killing_You and Nodlied both visiting ChopBam is a little too convenient. A roleblock on the tracker and a bus also if for any reason the roleblock were to fail? Reading through the entire thread, I can somewhat begin to draw a partnership too between Orange and KY. I could be looking at a KY/Nodlied team or a KY/Orange team, though in either case KY is the common element. Nonetheless, I have opted to examine Orange as well. The two masons at the time were certainly suspicious. The fact that Orange and KY are still in mason is unusual, and the claim that it is KY's decision to close or extend the doc is more unusual. Of course, who knows? Call it a scum gambit, call it truthful posting. However, at some point I suppose we have all forgotten Orange's shifty reactions and responses to iLTS' zone of truth. Although, perhaps I'm distracting myself. We were looking at KY at the beginning of this post. It's not like these two could be partners or anything and the mason itself a hiding-in-plain-sight scum doc. Ignored question, page 21. Page 22. Just curious to take a look at the chart as it was then. We know Louis went down today as Third-Party, and I believe we can confidently say she was not responsible for the N1 kill on me. Category 5 claimed Hider and hid behind Louis too, so he too should be clear. If we were to question the KY/Orange mason even more, I would come to the assumption that Killing You did truthfully claim what he did N1 but Orange lied and instead did the NK. It's a mystery why scum would rolecop their NK, but at the same time it seems very convenient when I follow this scenario. Whether I were to live or die, Orange has a confirmed rolecop on me and would be in a position in either event to gain townie points for himself. Orange has claimed an investigative role, but we should keep in mind his best investigative ability is tied only to his item and not his character. Naturally, I can understand why you would be wary of an item thief in play. In scum hands, it would be a powerful tool to dispose of or more cleverly, use as a townie-points booster. Having to rely solely on your "random track" wouldn't do much good anyway. This quote in reference to my doing nothing N1. This would give us two trackers, difference being ChopBam's track is more reliable and Orange is limited to his "random" track which does not do much good frankly speaking. In closing, I leave this statement. I can't say I have proven anything or found an explanation, but Orange is looking more and more scum to me. D1 Vote N1 Claim Category 5 Something "weird that should have been impossible." Not verified ChopBam OrangeP47 Visited KY Not verified FRAYDO FRAYDO Passed a ticket to iLTS; Redirected <from no action> to follow Jeod, tracked to Nodlied Verified by iLikeToSnipe iLikeToSnipe Voe Received ticket from FRAYDO Receipt verified, but no claimed action Jeod Spare Voe Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified by Nodlied Killing_You Spare Voe BUS DRIVER Nodlied Verified by Nodlied Louis Spare Voe <nothing> Not verified Mojoman Jeod Visited Nodlied Verified by his accurate claim before Nodlied confirmed it Nodlied Voe Redirected->Mojoman, gimmick Verified OrangeP47 Voe Masonry w/ KY Verified Sunflower Voe <did not visit Nodlied> No claimed action, unverifiable Result Voe, doppelganger No deaths, FRAYDO saved Right, so back to Killing_You. Page 24. Seems KY has been gunning for these two quite early. Why, if I were KY and seeing how the day's vote was tied up between the two of them, I would say this: 'course, you would be a cheeky bastard had you did. Closing argument: Killing_You's claimed actions are dubious. We never did hear from Nodlied who his original N1 target was, nor any complaint otherwise of supposedly being bussed by KY. N2 we bussed and roleblocked our claimed tracker, ChopBam. The roleblock is definitive in itself, but the bus action cannot be verified as having happened at all. We again only have KY's word on his activity these past nights. Restating in case someone just scrolled down past it all. We don't know if any bussing actions actually took place. KY however, has taken both opportunities to claim otherwise as being responsible for Nodlied visiting Mojo and screwing with ChopBam when he was already targeted for a roleblock by Nodlied.

Objection! You claimed Hider. If Louis were to be Mafia, you would be dead then!

Ah, hmm. An interesting turn of events. This fiasco does give me something at least. I’m beginning to question Killing_You’s claimed alignment. @ChopBam Are you absolutely sure of your read on KY? Orange’s cop of me is to be believed, and Louis going down claims Third-Party. @OrangeP47 Your thoughts on KY’s alignment?

@Louis If I may be frank, I’m surprised you haven’t placed a vote onto Cat5 to tip the scales in your favor. I’m to assume then you’re fine being tied in votes and will leave your vote on Jeod? Another question. Your previous mention of taking someone down with you; would that someone be who you left your vote on end of day? Or do you have the opportunity to make a selection after the fact?

I just want to bring up this post for the sake of everyone being sure of their votes today.

You expect too much from me. I don’t understand the “sinister” vibes you are getting from me.

Track and Party Profiler are separate use then? To be clear, Track is ability and PP is item? But you instead used a mason ability instead of a Track?

If your track is random, then it’s just complete coincidence you copped your NK target in the same night? Would that be right? Or could you please explain the function and usage of the Party Profiler again? Perhaps whoever it got passed to can clarify, if you did in fact pass it. I suppose your other 15% would be your acceptance of there being two Neutrals in this game. We only have KY’s claim of his Neutral alignment after all, whereas Orange is absolutely sure of my alignment.

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Thank you. Credit goes to Pushwall for that one! You're awesome! Yes sir!

It does! We are currently working on a wiki/guide of sorts in what we call Tacitus, which will serve as an excellent resource for players new and old. @Threve has written up a good amount for the Interim Apex section, so he will be your best point of contact for advice and tips in-game while we continue to work on completing the guide for public view.

Alright. Let's start reading from page 34! I like the color coding! Masterful presentation 10/10 Interesting theory. An item that passes itself via death. N1 did have a kill, technically speaking so passing the amulet would not have been without issue following this train of thought. aaaaaand wasted time. Sounds very useful! I imagine it would work well to boost an investigative role. I would tell you now not to give the pumpkin to me. It would only allow me to pass an additional ticket, which I wouldn't mind. It wouldn't get us much information though. Louis has been rather shifty as I am reading and catching up. Jeod's distancing seems to indicate he is not the partner though. I have lost count how many times Orange has used this now in this game. I suspect it is not the last time either. rip in peace I'm a touch annoyed that you have a 100% neutral read on me, yet insist on pushing me into a bad light. "Felt he's a bit more sinister". The gall of this man. Sunflower is absolutely on my good side. The rest of you, well. I like you all better than Mr. at least! Answered. Close, but not quite. You are not my heir yet, for I must be able to trust you if I can declare you that. Such is the masonry option, should you choose to visit. Only after the initial visit am I able to select an heir. That being so, Orange's reveal of my "item thief" ability doubles as me confiscating the ticket and revoking your heir status. When that happens, expect to receive this as well. However, we're not there yet! How vaguely threatening. CONCLUSION: I need to read closely again to determine my vote. I'm inclined to follow Sunflower's vote in any direction, as she saved me from death. However, there is much more day left to learn more.