Jeod
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AJ's cornered theme is the worst of them all IMO. Pick a better option. Anyway, I've been alluding to Flame Tower long before today. Better hit the books (posts, in this case).
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As you wish. ##vote Jeod
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Honestly? I have no idea.
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Well, since I know I'll be here for hammertime... ##unvote
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Even if you vote it won't cause a hammer. Only Cat5 or ChopBam can do that.
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This is where we're at by my count: CVC: Category 5 Hurricane voted no one Chaos_Knight voted Jeod ChopBam voted Nodlied Jeod voted Jeod Killing You voted Jeod Nodlied voted [blocked] Wallywood voted nobody Jeod has the most votes at 3 And how much do you wanna bet ChopBam won't hammer me?
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I don't know if there is a rule of 1 on flame towers, but if it's true, then Nodlied needs to hardclaim. Also, if there are still no night events, I'm calling Cat5 as an Allied Factory.
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I won't 'flip' anything, because I won't die.
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He still has his gun. Shame he can't shoot it though.
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If it's a tough sell I'll prove it right here. ##vote Jeod
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I claimed to prove a critical point in my theory. Buildings cannot visit, so Cat5 would not be able to visit me. As all the visceroids are dead and there have been no nightkills, it seems moot to continue hiding when I can claim and back myself up. About that. What Nodlied says is worth consideration. If all is said and done and he is scum, though, then I just have a reason to call out Vert for another weird role test at the expense of botched game balance. If you're a building, Nodlied, then you have no reason to fear the lynch, and since nobody would die, we the game would continue to the next day.
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##vote Nodlied Hard claim.
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Alternatively, we lynch a building today. 4 Soviets, 2 Allies. Allies gain a NK ability since Visceroids are gone. Tomorrow we have 3 Soviets and 2 Allies, one confirmed building, and a fresh out of the factory Medium Tank which shoots a Soviet for the win. A Flame Tower? Really? Well that's just interesting. Because, you know... ... I had to autodecline the training ticked. Care to hardclaim?
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Hopefully he'll be back in time for hammer in 4.5 hours. If not, I say we go for ChopBam to get confirmation.
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Haha, flamewar. I see what you did there. ;p
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If Allies do exist in this game, they must not have a nightkill ability. If they do, you're a roleblocker, which can help us find them. I'm also a Flame Tower--I incinerate scum when they visit me, so that ensures my survival. A huge middle finger to our logic thus far would be if Wallywood was the lone Allied player (or the only one that could kill). If ChopBam flips heavy tank and confirms Cat5, the only options I see for scum are Nodlied, Wallywood, and you. That makes it even less believable that Allies exist. We may have one more hostile third party to deal with and not actually have any Allies at all.
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To me there are two options: lynch Cat5 and see if his building claim is true. Or, and this is the better option, lynch ChopBam and see if he flips Heavy Tank. If he does, we can confirm Cat5 that way. The downside to lynching Cat5 is that even if his building claim is true, we still don't know the alignment or even if he is a war factory like he says.
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I'd be a miracle worker if I could explain away everything. I'm not so sure Mojoman investigated Nodlied. I think he investigated you and scumread Nodlied. As for why he fingered Nodlied on Day 3 as well, maybe he still scumread Nodlied and wanted revenge. Only theory I can think of for that.
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Buildings: Jeod - Soviet Flame Tower Category5 - Allied War Factory (?) Chaos_Knight - Soviet Barracks Vehicles: ChopBam - Allied Tank (?) That's four out of nine. It makes more sense if Category5 only delegates vehicle powers to other Allies, i.e. a partner. Infantry: Killing_You - Soviet Shocktrooper Mojoman - Soviet Starshina Nodlied - ??? Wallywood - ??? Third Party: Isaac The Madd - Visceroid If it looks like this, then Visceroids can eventually outnumber the 'unconvertibles' by one. Even then, though, it's still not balanced well because buildings are unlynchable and Infantry units are more likely to be lynched. That's where I get confused. I believe Cat5 and ChopBam to be partners, but are they both Allies or is one a third party and one is a scum playing along?
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That would be true if there were a bunch of infantry units. The claims show this to be false. We have a claim for a factory that can change infantry units into vehicles (thus making them unconvertible). We have three buildings (a War Factory, Barracks and Flame Tower, all unconvertible). That's 3 roles to start with that can't be converted, in a game of nine players. If we suppose there are Allies in this game, we can add at least one, maybe two scum which are unconvertible. That's 5 unconvertable roles in a 9 player game. Half of the roles can't be converted. Visceroids were doomed to fail. The town factory claim is false. Mafia edit: What of the "something will happen if I'm killed" thing Cat5 mentioned? A town role wouldn't have a death effect. Plus, if the War Factory is aligned with the Allies, that frees up a Soviet role that can be converted, which balances the game a bit more. Bear with me here, I'm still trying to rap my head around this.
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Of course he's town, and he's clear. If he says he's a Barracks, he's a Barracks. But think about it, look at the claimed roles we have for town so far: A War Factory that produces heavy tanks and can change meager rifle soldiers into hardened vehicles. [Category5] A Barracks that can give rifle training and allow any infantry with a gun to boost their accuracy. [Chaos_Knight] A Shocktrooper that can paralyze players at night and has an advantage over vehicles during the day. [Killing_You] Unknown [Wallywood] Unknown [Nodlied] Unknown [Jeod] Combine this with visceroids, which I presume can only infect infantry roles. If this is all true, and if there are Allies in the game, then the visceroids were doomed to fail from the start. Additionally, we theorize that the Allies lack night killing abilities. No matter what alignment you are, from a logical standpoint, it does not make sense for town to have all those roles. This is why my vote remains on ChopBam. To further lend credence to my theory, I'll even claim. I'm the Flame Tower. You can lynch me if you're unsure, but you should be able to easily tell now why I'm so unconvinced about the town factory claim given the circumstances.
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Two suspected structures? Oh, you mean Chaos = Barracks, yes? Chaos, did you formally claim Barracks? I missed it if you did.
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Em, not to burst your bubble, but there's normally more than one of these. Up to 5 actually on more "sane" setups. Oh. So, then, it would be an easy role to claim.
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I've been arguing from a player's point of view. Are you mad that I pushed for Mojoman's protection when you were leading the charge on him? And look, it turns out Killing_You is actually town! I was right again! This logic requires me to know and believe that Cat5 is a War Factory and also requires his entire story to be true. As for dumping the blame on you after, how would that have been done considering I've been pushing your innocence since you made the shot? My line of thinking was you went from town to visceroid, not scum to visceroid, so any push on you would easily fall apart. You've been played like a damn fiddle. Of course he waits until I go to sleep to bring in his biggest arguments. You mean the Soviet Rifle Soldier? The role that belonged to FRAYDO?
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Hammer myself? If I was scum, why would I do that? Ohoho, but I'm not scum, and lynching me is a waste of time. ##vote ChopBam I'm still willing to test my theory. ChopBam can't be a building since he can receive tanks, so he's lynchable.
