TheIrishman

I feel like I must be missing something here. Verti60 already stated his planned lack of participation until the 17th before the game even started. Nodlied would've expected him to be true to his word and assigned him a role accordingly, right? So why would you three expect him to be scum? To me, it feels more like a wasted investigation compared to the targets we already have in our sights. Also updated table Players Nationality Status Items Evidence Role Town/Scum % Jeod American Town Dead (Typewriter) (Grenade) None Reporter Tracker 100/0 Category 5 Austrian “Suspicious” “Spyglass” Unknown Navy Officer? 75/25 TheIrishman Bosnian Innocent Unknown None that I know of Unknown 100/0 FRAYDO Serbian Suspicious None Black Hand Book Unknown 20/80 Mojoman Serbian “Innocent” Telephone Colt “No Evidence” “Locked till X%” 60/40 Chaos_Knight Serbian Suspicious None More Black Hand Stuff “Tracker” 50/50 Killing_You Bosnian Unknown (Grenade) Unknown Unknown 60/40 Verti60 Serbian “Innocent” “None” “None” “Backup” 75/25 OrangeP47 Austrian Unknown Unknown “No Evidence” Unknown 35/65 Retaliation Hungarian “Suspicious” Something Unknown “Locked till X%” 35/65

Heads up, I work unusual hours tomorrow, so the latest I can be on before hammer is noon eastern time.

True, I did assume that you knew what it was because you wanted it so badly. Btw, I don't recommend reading the entire Wikipedia page about the July Crisis at 3 AM. It'll just leave you flummoxed. Especially so since Nod already stated this game isn't historically accurate

So your ability doesn't unlock through WT? Odd considering how Nod specifically mentioned how there would be potential benefits for Town as well when WT was raised. If that's the case then I'm even more towards the idea that Mojo is Town and that his is unlocked from WT. From your words, you were desperately hoping for it to unlock which means whatever it is, you think it is VERY useful. You haven't really swayed me against you from being scum. In fact I think you're the "sleeper" scum while mojo is the "sleeper" town. But you have made me second guess you being the killer and as a sleeper, you're benign for now. You've been lowered on my priorities. With this I think FRAYDO (leaning very heavily), OrangeP47, or Killing_You are our only possible suspects left for the killer, with OrangeP47, and Killing_You being the only possible suspects for being the thief. Killing_You still passes as Town for me. I'm up to investigate either FRAYDO or OrangeP47.

There shouldn't be. Ugh, I'm conflicted. The lack of a nightkill until now coincides well with either the possibilities of Retaliation or FRAYDO being the killer. FRAYDO didn't do anything N1 (possibly because he was afk as he's want to do). He was locked up N2. Then Jeod died N3. So I surmise our killer is most likely one of those two. Either one I'd be welcome to investigating, although I'd be more at ease investigating the unknown (Retaliation). The more information, the better.

I said he saw probably saw what my action was instead of a target. There are 5 different types of trackers and I think he was a Follower.

First, Retaliation, can you please report your nationality? CK, using charts to appeal to you? >.> Anyway I don't consider myself much of a suspect after the whole PM ordeal in addition to Jeod tracking me and figuring out why I'm Town. If CK is telling the truth that he can track who people visit, I suspect Jeod's tracking was seeing people's actions, which is why his perspective on me flipped for the better. Considering that, I volunteer to go to the vault whenever we investigate Cat5. But for now, I think we should investigate Retaliation. Our main suspects for scum were FRAYDO, Retaliation, Chaos_Knight, OrangeP47, and Killing_You. We already found out FRAYDO had nothing, but when we locked him up and Jeod didn't use his ability, WT only went up 4%. So I suspect one of them was the cause in the difference of WT gained. FRAYDO is currently our top suspect for being scum but we can't really do anything about it for now. Killling_You seems fairly townie for giving up his only weapon, though it could've been a ploy to win favor. OrangeP47 has revealed almost nothing which puts him at 2nd on my current suspects. Retaliation has already admitted to having an ability that only activates when the WT passes a certain threshold. We went 2 nights without a single kill. Then we reach 25% WT (23% initially, but the grenade pushed to 25%) there's all of a sudden a kill? It seems too suspicious. I know there's a chance there was always a killer but they were roleblocked each time, but I doubt it. And I know there's also Mojoman who could be in the same boat, but he has his telephone and he's been fairly helpful with it. Also I doubt he'd admit having a gun if he were scum. Chaos_Knight can hopefully prove he's a tracker tonight. Although he may still be scum, it's better than nothing. Also, of our main suspects right now, I think either Retaliation or OrangeP47 is our thief. If I remember correctly, Orange was investigated N1 by Cat5, during which nothing was stolen. Meaning he probably wouldn't have any evidence on him at that time.

*Readying myself for the barrage of suspicion for asking this* ... .... ..... Okay, so I think we should just get everyone's nationalities out in the open. Why? Because it seems that although the game may not be historically accurate, the nationalities do seem to be quite important in regard to the evidence we have. Bonus, if anybody lies about their nationalities and we investigate them, there's more reason to suspect them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see how outing this information would hurt town. I'll start, although I've had the flag this entire time as my profile picture, I'm Bosnian. And maybe that's true. If it is, then Cat5 would be lying about Mojoman's lack of evidence. But to me it seems like all suspicious players have evidence, even if they don't know it. If I'm right then Mojoman, are you suspicious or innocent?

Alright, since it's already turned into my meta, guess I'll do another table. Can't guarantee I'll always do one though. But if I'm bored, maybe I will. Anything in parenthesis is unconfirmed and the Town/Scum column is based on my current feelings. If I missed anything, please let me know. Players Nationality Status Items Evidence Role Town/Scum % Jeod American Initially Innocent Currently Suspicious Typewriter Grenade None Reporter Tracker 90/10 Category 5 “English” “Suspicious” “Spyglass” Unknown Navy Officer? 75/25 TheIrishman Unknown Innocent Unknown None that I know of Unknown 100/0 FRAYDO Serbian Suspicious None Black Hand Book Unknown 20/80 Mojoman Serbian Unknown Telephone Colt “No Evidence” “Locked till X%” 60/40 Chaos_Knight Serbian Suspicious None More Black Hand stuff “Tracker” 30/70 Killing_You Unknown Unknown (Grenade) Unknown Unknown 60/40 Verti60 Serbian “Innocent” “None” “None” Unknown 80/20 OrangeP47 Unknown Unknown Unknown “No Evidence” Unknown 35/65 Retaliation Unknown “Suspicious” Something Unknown “Locked till X%” 40/60

I'd rather you didn't Though if you can reveal if I targeted anyone, I'm cool with that. And I think we should make sure beforehand that CK and Jeod track two different people for tonight. Orange, Killing_You, CK and Retaliation would be our prime targets. One of them for investigation, two for tracking, unless we investigate CK.

Eh, I can understand that, but as a general balancing of powers for a game, I can't see Nod doing it. Again, the stealing could be once every other night. Or maybe there's some other limitation on it.

I think our top suspects for the thief would be Chaos_Knight, Killing_You, and OrangeP47. If we're going for all possible scum players, then I would add both FRAYDO and Retaliation to the list. The main reason why I don't believe Vert to be the thief is because it wouldn't make sense to give someone who would be expected to be almost entirely absent until the 17th such a powerful role. Although his recent behavior has raised my suspicion on him a bit as scum, it's not enough to warrant adding to the list, yet.

Vert, you're admitting to having no item? Are you saying your ability isn't unlocked until we reach a certain threshold in the WT?

I think finding evidence as soon as possible would be our safest bet. If there is some scum out there capable of stealing both items and evidence, then while we keep FRAYDO on lockdown, they'll be able to continue to disarm (figuratively since our items are our "weapons") while we just twiddle our thumbs. The Tracker may be able to find out who's stealing items during that time, but if they require an item to use their tracking action, then if that's stolen too, we're SOL. Also we didn't receive any reports of any items being stolen N1, so either someone is lying or it's an action with limited use like once every other day.

First, Cat5, you said they had no evidence, but were you able to see if they did any actions during the night?

I don't mind finding out who took an action or not. Curious, what did your source find out about me? If it'd cause a negative impact though, you can withhold the information.

Huh, perhaps it is based on the amount of night actions. We went from a 9% increase to only a 4% increase.

Yeah, I don't know but if you want my opinion, I doubt it unless the WT raised by the # of night actions performed. But how do you know yours doesn't raise the WT? Does it specifically mention that it doesn't or does it not even mention it?

It is odd that you wouldn't know considering that you should have an ability of some kind yourself.

Alright, Nodlied has finally responded, so here's the defense I previously withheld. What? "I think it's pathetic that you decided to out such sensitive information in a bid to peg me as Town or Warmonger when my alignment should be clear by now." - First, my goal was to prove to you that I was town and that an investigation would be a waste. Second, outing such sensitive information? It's not sensitive, it was already stated previously. They already know our goal. "You're so set on casting doubt on me that you failed to take into account that the objective wording could easily be used to test others." - I was already done thinking you were scum when you agreed to not using your ability tonight. And yeah, I did use it to prove myself and Cat5 to be town. It's not the first time an objective has been used to check a person's alignment. "It's a rule breaker to do so, however, but your blind attack only makes me want to investigate you even more." - It's a rule breaker to copy and paste PMs sent by the GM. I just pointed out two words that were conveniently said in a similar way. Nor was I even the one to say them. And I was trying to be more vague about the reason why it proved us to be innocent, but you kept on hounding me for it. I already tried like 3 or 4 times to indirectly point it out. I don't get what you mean by a blind attack though. But what I find strange is even after me pointing out this information (added: of which you could only be trying to reprimand me for in the first place if it was true that I'm Town), you still want to investigate me. Which either means you're scum or you've blinded yourself with emotion. ------------------------ So after reading Cat5's own words, I am no longer 100% he is town from the words he used, although I still think he's probably Town from his other actions. Eek gad! You caught me! I feel like I must've missed something here. So it seems we have one confirmed active scum, but it only implicates FRAYDO if someone dies tonight. What we know for actions: Retal - Locked till X% WT Mojo - Locked till X% WT Jeod - Reporter What we don't really know for actions: Cat5 - Some night ability Irish - Some night ability Orange - Unknown Vert - Unknown FRAYDO - Unknown Chaos_Knight - Unknown Killing_You - Unknown According to what we know, the active scum member could be anyone that we don't really know anything about, but we're not even certain that scum can nightkill yet. But since it seems FRAYDO is the most likely suspect, aside from Mojo and Retal ##Investigate FRAYDO

No, I don't know if my action causes tension to rise.

I didn't, it was pure sarcasm. ##Investigate TheIrishman

I actually kind of feel a bit touched that the Scummiest Scum Who Ever Scummed thinks so highly of my scumplay. Granted I've only ever been scum for half a game.

*facepalm* Not even gonna talk about until Nod catches up. And proven wrong. I just think it'd be a waste.

Guess I'll hold what I wrote for a defense even though it's hard to stomach libel.