Sunflower

##nominate FRAYDO ##investigate Category 5

The internet there is also free and can be easily used as opposed to mobile hotspots, which are neither!

It might not be super far fetched. There was that thingy about possible infiltrators after all.

Because two people can support something for different reasons and still be wary of why the other person is supporting it. :P Like I said in my post, he just seemed really excited about the military and I wanted to point it out. I was going back and forth between economy and military but I thought we could use a stronger military. AFAIK Austria-Hungary wasn't really known for being an intimidating empire compared to other places like Germany/France/UK.

I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote on military reforms since that's what I did yesterday and I'm kinda interested to know if the choices will be the same as the economy ones or different choices. Especially since the thing I was worried about at first was having the choices pit the factions against each other and now I know that economy choices do just that. ##reform military

It might be a good idea to keep in mind that nationalities aren't monolithic. They're composed of individuals and those individuals don't always agree on what's best for everyone.

edit: my first*

I'm still kind of confused by the dynamics in this game since this is more first crisis game but maybe someone can explain to me. Being suspicious is kind of alarming for sure, and maybe he's just waiting to go hostile, but wouldn't it be better to find someone who actually is hostile (aka mafia)?

I'm kinda wary of Orange just because he's so smart in these historical settings and he seems to want military reforms really badly like it's a hot fudge sundae with whipped cream and a cherry on top. I'm going to vote military because I think our grand empire could do with a bit more... oomph, but I just wanted to say I'm worried for the record. :P ##reform military

I was wondering about that too. I agree with Orane and Irish that it's probably 2 each time but wasn't sure.

With what we know now, there's at least 2 significant factions here: the status quoers, and the pluralists. So who knows what might happen if we pick political reforms. There'd be a lot of disagreement there. Military or Economic reforms might be a safer bet for things we can agree on.

I think it's safe to say I'm the superest mostest confusedest. But I think when we're picking a category, it could be a whole spectrum of different choices. So like say we did a economic reform. The choices could be: 1. Lords and ladies know best. Let's go with feudalism. 2. Power to the people! Sieze the means of productions forthwith! 3. Industrializing and economic growth is good! Unfettered capitalism here we come! 4. I was just kidding. Really only ladies know best. Donate the entire treasury of the Empire to Sunflower. Just because we pick the category doesn't mean it has to go in any one of those directions. I mean sure, #4 is the obvious choice, but who knows when we have a secret ballot right?

There's not much to hide sadly. A few sprinkles from my studies. Just getting into the theme of the game.

well surreee. írj fel.

Pretty much. It's mostly likely going to be the last game I ever play. Thanks to everyone who made me feel welcome while I was here.

I'm done. I'll ask Orange to let me know what happened later tonight or something. Bye.

Okay now it's obvious that you're just doing this to troll me.

Meanwhile the only thing mafia have is Cop and BP.

Also bear in mind that Orange had a dayvig, so the scum would have to have silencing, scrambling, and dayvig in this scenario.

I mean I get that you don't like Irish's ability. But you're also allowing for all of these things to be included in a basics game by making this argument: Silencer, Scrambler, and BP. All three of those things would have to be included for your argument to be right.

Add onto this: Why didn't Orange kill Cat5 when he had the chance? That's even more opportunities to kill Cat5 that were never used.

Also consider this: Why is Cat 5 still alive? He was doing those charts and helping players that weren't used to the basics game setup where there aren't many role claims. Wouldn't it have made sense for the scum to kill him on d1 or at least on d2? He's a very helpful player for mafia, and it would be incredibly risky for the scum to let him live so long.

And because I think it bears repeating: I investigated Cat 5 and he is town...

He is though... he's claiming that he had 1 doctor use and 4 bodyguards that he could spread out over the entire game. Think about it. It's not really OP at all. If he used all of them the first few days, he wouldn't be able to use any of them now. It might not have been the worst thing in the world either. Maybe he could have saved someone and helped. The situation he has now he can help too because he still has the abilities to use. It means it's actually a really balanced ability that has pros and cons for how it's used and it's up to the player to make the best of it. Also remember. Irish literally voted up Orange immediately and rejected the idea that I could be faking it out of hand. The Sunflower/Shade team theory Jeod suggested was proposed, and he didn't buy it. Cat 5 on the other hand, didn't even vote at all until the very end of the day, and he first voted nolynch before changing his mind to vote Orange. He was hoping Orange might get saved.

Also. Literally the only way Irish could be scum is he he could try to kill Cat5 and target me with a scramble at the same time. That is just totally impossible.