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I think that was iLTS.

Sure, but if we're wrong it gets proven on TheIrishman's flip, right? Also, I'm not saying Retal must be, just if my suggested team was correct, this situation would fit. There are a few others that could be swapped in, just not many.

You aren't even on the block right now Retal, why are you so defensive?

Let's not get into that kind of WIFOM game right after we failed it so hard last time.

That goes back to "maybe they knew they could kill him", especially since Orange was suspicious enough that he wouldn't get protected.

I mean, it could be as simple as the scum team being TheIrishman/Retaliation/Anon_Kat

If TheIrishman did have teammates at this point, the options would be pretty limited.

Hmm, I guess. I didn't really get it.

Well, she's kinda been contradicting herself, getting aggro on the idea that someone might shoot her declared suspect.

She's kinda been all over the place.

@FRAYDO did you have an opinion on anything other than Shade?

##unvote I'll be around anyway.

Don't early hammer.

Screw it, I'm going with TheIrishman ##vote TheIrishman

Actually, I maybe can resolve that situation. I've been considering that Louis and TheIrishman wanted to save iLTS, but maybe the goal was to make sure that Mojoman gets lynched instead of Orange. Playing on the earlier idea I had that maybe Orange's role had a direct Nod counter, maybe they knew they could kill him. By making sure Mojoman was lynched over Orange, they'd be able to use that counter and get an assured NK.

Still, if I were pressed to make a vote right now, I'd pick one of those two.

I'm scum reading both Louis and TheIrishman, though most of my own case on that is actually centered on the idea that you are scum as well. I kinda town read you, so I'm mixed.

I suppose I'm leaving out the possibility that there are 0 Spies, that could also be true, though I would think it pretty odd. Actually, with the game originally being balanced at 12 and then extended to 13, I suppose that's possible.

By saying there are 4 scum, you are saying that by lynches and NKs alone, the game could be over during Day 3. That's before considering Daykills, which by nature would be more likely to be used on town targets than mafia targets, though you could also argue that the potential for failed NKs or successful hits on Mafia might balance that out. Still, the natural progression says the game would end at Day 3. That's not a good balance point for a game this large. That's the big reason why I don't think it could be 4 scum. That maximum number should be read that there are not more than 2 Spies. Scum has either 1 or 2 power roles, and spies fill out the remainder.

Idiocy. That rolesheet was posted back when the rule was 12 player maximum.

You're trying to use the Maximum number as your proof?

Why, because your claimed situation that also doesn't have any supporting evidence requires evidence to be refuted?

It isn't better to assume a situation might be true when it wouldn't make sense for it to be true.

I don't buy that there are 4 scum in this game. MYLO on Day 2? Ridiculous.

As flawed as I think your statistical approach is, town has more to gain from obsessing over it than mafia does. At least, I think so.