Shade939 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I didn't do any actions on my own. How other players used my inventions was entirely up to them, I make no judgements Sounds like my role. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Sounds like my role. No, you're actively causing mischief, you little rascal, and we may have to put a stop to that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, TheIrishman said: Says the guy who could give away guns >.> Well I guess you were TP for that. But to me, Neutral is supposed to be like a swing vote (depending on which goal they have), they should have a enough power to help change the outcome, but not enough to control the game. Just now, OrangeP47 said: I didn't do any actions on my own. How other players used my inventions was entirely up to them, I make no judgements Well my item isn't as powerful as yours was, so my ability helps compensate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: No, you're actively causing mischief, you little rascal, and we may have to put a stop to that To be fair, odds are that I can leisurely sit back and watch everyone else try and figure out who scum are now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: To be fair, odds are that I can leisurely sit back and watch everyone else try and figure out who scum are now. Honestly, say we went for your "plan". I just don't see you magically holding back and using your monster on scum only. You'll go for easy kills, whoever's at hand. And, say we're good, find scum early. That basically forces you to use your monster on town. It's just not good calculus. Sure, we can wait a few turns to deal with you maybe, but IMO we SHOULD deal with you at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Assuming he's telling the truth about having to collect 4 bodies, I or Sunflower can just prevent him from doing so if need be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Honestly, say we went for your "plan". I just don't see you magically holding back and using your monster on scum only. You'll go for easy kills, whoever's at hand. And, say we're good, find scum early. That basically forces you to use your monster on town. It's just not good calculus. Sure, we can wait a few turns to deal with you maybe, but IMO we SHOULD deal with you at some point. Unless the rules prevent it, I can actually have my abomination kill my own character so I only absolutely need to kill one player over the course of the entire game. I'm pretty confident that between town, scum, and any other neutral or third party I can find three more corpses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 I'm tempted to say we should kill him, because scum has so graciously offered us a free night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 TBH 4 sounds like an awful lot. If he can only collect one body per night, can't collect scum bodies, etc, then needs to kill two people, it's really almost impossible for him to win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: I'm pretty confident that between town, scum, and any other neutral or third party I can find three more corpses. Didn't you say you couldn't collect scum corpses? Or am I confusing that with something Irish said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Unless the rules prevent it, I can actually have my abomination kill my own character so I only absolutely need to kill one player over the course of the entire game. I'm pretty confident that between town, scum, and any other neutral or third party I can find three more corpses. You should be able to kill yourself, at least using an Abomination I would think. But with most things, like NKs, people generally aren't allowed unless there's a Bus Driver or some sort of ability to reflect the kill back to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 I'm not totally prepared to believe that two roleblocks were out there and neither are the reason for the failed NK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 TheIrishman, when does your virus thing take effect? Does it work immediately, therefore potentially stopping Nodlied from killing you N1? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: I'm not totally prepared to believe that two roleblocks were out there and neither are the reason for the failed NK. The pies are time bombs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: I'm not totally prepared to believe that two roleblocks were out there and neither are the reason for the failed NK. Well, I can prove that I didn't even attempt a NK because of Irish. So only player that could fit in that theory is Retaliation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: The pies are time bombs. Yes, the mystery that is literally in our faces all along. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Well, I can prove that I didn't even attempt a NK because of Irish. So only player that could fit in that theory is Retaliation. Well, the other thing could be that scum might be able to do their normal action and the NK at the same time, despite us earlier being told we can only do one night action. The NK might be considered a separate thing, and that's all up to how Jeod decides to run the show. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 I honestly could see scum coordinating a roleblock and no night kill to frame me. I don't normally go down that kind of avenue, but CMC changed me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: CMC changed me. I'm touched! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I'm touched! I went into that a man at my prime, head of the KGB. I left a radioactive corpse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: I'm not totally prepared to believe that two roleblocks were out there and neither are the reason for the failed NK. With there being no NK, I can only think of a two reasons. 1. Sunflower roleblocked Retaliation. 2. Scum chose to do something else instead. Maybe they have an ability that kills the target later through marking them, like an arsonist. Or maybe their item is really useful and they wanted to craft one for their partner, since we're all allowed to use only one action per night, outside of items (assuming Scum isn't able to NK too). Right now, besides Retaliation, I think the most suspicious player is ChopBam, and at the end of this he'll be dancing on our graves like... But to be fair, no one likes clowns. Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: TheIrishman, when does your virus thing take effect? Does it work immediately, therefore potentially stopping Nodlied from killing you N1? After. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Retaliation said: I went into that a man at my prime, head of the KGB. I left a radioactive corpse. Sorry about that I really tried my hardest as Scum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Make that 3 reasons, I forgot about people besides myself having BP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, TheIrishman said: Make that 3 reasons, I forgot about people besides myself having BP. I at least already asked around and no one spoke up about that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: I at least already asked around and no one spoke up about that. Most people don't speak up about having BP, especially if they only have a limited amount of uses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Maybe Voe is actually playing as a stealth mafia and he missed sending the PM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, TheIrishman said: Most people don't speak up about having BP, especially if they only have a limited amount of uses. There is a difference between claiming your protection is gone and you were protected last night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: There is a difference between claiming your protection is gone and you were protected last night. True. If a one-shot BP was used up, someone would probably mention it, but if a player has full night BP, they're usually not notified about being attacked so they most likely wouldn't mention it unless they had to, for fear of an unstoppable kill or wasting the potential to ruin a future NK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Oh, that reminds me of a 4th option, someone happened to protect the target, but that'd be something that they wouldn't would claim until late-game either anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Tried for the obvious cat5 kill perhaps? I'd hate that, because I want him to be scum for not lynching me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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