OrangeP47

To be fair, it's about time for an updated CVC

I was about to make a reference to Seele in NGE, but figured you wouldn't get it But I maintain that us all standing around in a circle like this might qualify as giving them a face. IE you just have to match the name to a player. Having a name but no face would be like, for example, knowing Misa is in play but not knowing Cat 5 is Misa.

You know, that did make it just strike me like we've forgotten this is a bad idea. But that said, it's not 100% confirmed, so it might not work for the Death Note and/or Kiras might not be willing to act on it.

Ha, 1 am hammer time for CET must be brutal then, as compared to me, who can vote, go make dinner, eat it, and come back and see the update posted.

Related: Are we all mostly US players with a sprinkling of Europe players? I'm in the CST timezone, personally, but have a really weird sleep schedule.

Threeish hours. That said, I think Jeod is going to be slippery either way.

To be fair, at the rate we're posting, he won't have time to watch the show This also does enhance my theory that there's someone else out there with a Death Note too, though.

I've put my money on him being Sidoh all along. He has goals, not necessarily anti-town goals, but not pro-town goals, which is why he's so slippery, but as long as we don't trust him he can't do anything to us, or maybe even work together as long as we don't do anything stupid.

Well, the meta is said to be changed slightly so we can't just pure meta it... That said, some things make more sense now, some things make less sense now... I am going to need a bit to process this and revise my theories. Jeod, I still don't think you're a threat, but I am willing to hear CK out a bit more, as this is a very intriguing idea. If he's lying he's bound to have some slips, more than enough info before the final vote is needed.

Well... that would change quite a bit... (Oh jeeze, it's hitting the fan now guys!)

Well... that would change quite a bit...

Not necessarily. I mean, Mojo is painting a pretty big target on himself in many ways by admitting to having one, which is why it's such a bold move. The second note being in the hands of a scum is what I'd be on, though, and they're just waiting for the right time to strike. Someone not wanting to paint that target is also a very real possibility too. It really makes me wonder what the scum are up to, though. Alternatively... there such things as fake death notes... Someone with one of those might play aggressively, trying to get caught, because that would take heat from the real Kira. I think Mojo isn't doing that, though, as his mannerisms don't fit with that. IF CK is scum though, that could be one more angle for you guys to consider. I won't commit to that either, but I do think the obvious people are trying to waste time so Kira can strike more. I also postulated in my post yesterday that there are actually THREE notes, the two we're talking about here, and the one the off screen scum might have.

Voe's definitely Misa's helper, but he's still likely third party if Rem. Rem didn't care about anything other than Misa not dying. I had a big long post several pages ago, but in short, Math. I think Misa started with one, why else would Rem be here. Mojo got a Note on D3. Misa could not pass a note on N2, because she didn't have it on her and couldn't pass in jail either. So either A) Misa got rid of her note N1 and nobody noticed/cared and someone else passed a second note to Mojo N2, or relayed that same note N2, or B) Mojo is lying. I don't think Mojo is lying, and I don't think someone was just bouncing around the first death note that willy nilly without doing more.

For what it's worth, Voe plays an excellent Rem, while still adding his own flair. That's why I think he could be an avenue to get to Kira

The thing about those two, IF they are scum, IF they are working together... we'd want to nail the right one, and there's no indication anywhere who's the ring leader. I think getting that wrong would give Kira an opening that we wouldn't like. Once we picked that person would tie us up for a long time while the real objective had a free hand. That's why we need more data. For this turn, at least, our number one concern *as a group* is definitely deciding if we want to whack Mojo to confiscate or if we want to keep that baby passing back and forth. I choose to view this as Misa with a stalker wondering why she won't return his affections and it makes it adorable in a creepy sort of way, heh.

Yeah, forgot about Mojo (sorry Mojo). Before that he was actually pretty high on my suspicion list, but that changed everything.

I do think we need kind of a perspective shift. People are focusing on reasons to *distrust* people, but we've seen a critical lack of reasons to give *trust* instead. That's why Chop is in the clear so much, because he's really been the only one who's done anything more than musing that appears to be trust worthy. For every right point Nod and CK have about Jeod or Voe, I can't help but think "yeah, but what have YOU done?" They've not been sketchy enough to make me vote for them, but they've not done anything trustworthy enough to make me not want to vote for them either. Fortunately for them, the lack of a reason to vote against is not reason to vote for, IMO.

I wasn't aware they put me into your basket heh.

The special L abilities might work differently. I'll admit, he's suspicious, but at the same time, according to canon at least, just touching and reading a death note isn't going to make anything bad happen. Granted, nobody has died, so there's likely nothing really in the Death Note to give us clues anyway.

A few brief words is not all it takes to sate the people's curiosity though

Wow, after a quiet yesterday, this morning is quite explosive eh? I'll attempt to respond by using a variety of tabs open at once and see if quotes cooperate Bit first, some general stuff. On the subject of Voe: I think he's angling town. He may be doing a pretty... 'provocative' job of it, and might technically be the third party Rem, as we've discussed many times previously, but I definitely think he can be an *asset* to the cause. Hell, I even think letting him have the ability to doc with people is a good idea as it might let him pull some tricks in our advantage, but I won't waste my points on insisting on that right now, as I'm likely not in the majority opinion there. Still, as far as voting goes, I think it would either be a waste of time due to shinigaminess or that it would be counter productive to finding the scum. On the subject of Jeod. He's suspicious, yes, but I chalk that up to just how he is. He's definitely got some weirdness going on, but I *highly* doubt no matter what else he is that he's actually handing out Death Notes. Yeah, Ryuk tosses them around like candy in the series, but for the purposes of this game that just seems antithetical to any rational or coherent goal structure. IMO there are two people out there who started with a Death Note, at least, and neither of them are Jeod. Honestly, I don't believe Cat 5 when he said he didn't have a Death Note, because if Misa didn't touch one why is Rem here? If Jeod's a shinigami he's Sidoh, who just wants his note back. That's not anti-town, though it likely would impair our ability to get at Kira, and therefore shouldn't be something we do if we can help it even if it isn't fatal for us. Is Jeod Near? Honestly, I have no idea on that. I don't think it's a scum trap though. I see how that'd work, and I don't think conditions right now are right for a player to be pulling that. They're suspicious too, but while theories put against them make sense, we don't have much solid on them, unfortunately. What I'd like to see is some independent reasoning by one or the other. Trusting people is fine, but subsumed is not. If they're town they should demonstrate they aren't shackled to each other, and if they're scum then at least we can tell who's threat number one and who's the lackey. Problem being, we can't exactly just up and tell them to argue about something without a suitable prompt. That's not how anything works. Really the only way we'd have is to let them both doc and then have a third party interview each seperately, though in this game if they've docced with each other they could still cheat. Can't pull off the prisoner's dilemma in this setup :\ The classic 'backup' role is pretty well documented, and I'm at least willing to believe that's a possibility. Vanilla Townie with investigation immunity until L dies. IF he is telling the truth. This and what KY also said about people being a diversion. I agree on a broader scale. I think the loudest people here are all trying to draw attention from *something*, though they're not all batting for the same team so to speak. I think theoretically he could get it back, but he wouldn't get it back *this fast*, as since he was in jail nobody could hand him anything last night pretty sure. *sarcastic thanks*

Perhaps normally, and of course we know there are other ways to get names than investigations, but I feel as if the extra step here of needing to get a name might complicated that more than usual and make this a less attractive option for scum than usual.

Well, it doesn't seem we've even decided, as a whole, to investigate or do the passing, which is key to factoring in what happens next. I'd say if we don't investigate you you have a pretty high chance of surviving (upwards of 80%). The other 20% is if Kira forces have used powers to check you out on their own. I'd be the first to jump on the planning/speculation train, but we really do have two very different paths depending on what we do there.

I can see there being very circumstantial evidence. Nothing I would bet on, though. Something's fishy about Nodlied, but if he was that deep down the rabbit hole I have a hard time believing he'd act as he has, both incidentally and deliberately, and cast as much attention on himself as he has.

Now that we're deeper into it and Voe's had a chance to get into things, I think he can be a pretty big asset. Hell, if his goal is to protect Misa, and if Kira tries to burn Misa to prevent us from getting more info, and Voe's Rem, then he might actually play a good role in helping us get a lot closer. To be clear, I think we still need to keep Cat 5's suspicion higher than trust, but I think it's time to let Voe out to play. To be clear, this is not just because he gave me trust too, I had been thinking this before bed but wanted to sleep on it. ##propose trust Voe 25