OrangeP47

Ninjaed, that makes a bit more sense.

Well, functionally, we can't even help you with that unless we know who the other person is too.

For something about an actual course of action... I don't think investigating Jeod again is a good idea, not because I trust him necessarily (and I don't necessarily mistrust him either), but with a setup like this I wouldn't be so sure that was a one time effect or an effect that lasts until the "story progresses" or something. Or maybe it is a one shot and it's fine to do so now, but I'd rather like to get *someone* investigated, at least, and I don't think the possibility of getting stuck in a loop of no results is something we want. Maybe it's just a slight probability, but all things equal, it's a higher probability of something undesirable happening than if we investigated any other person.

So... Voe is still zeroed... (and we can go over 100 proposal, which is something I thought about asking).

Oh, and this warrants a double post (sorry!). Originally I was going to say to tie in with the Pacific War it'd be interesting if Mexico had Japanese influence, but I couldn't think of any realistic reason for that to happen so I didn't say anything. Japan invests in the American side of the Pacific Rim today, but I didn't know if they did back then to any large degree. I was just looking up why Pancho Villa thought it'd be a good idea to attack Columbus NM which is what promoted American intervention in 1916, and apparently the best guess we have is from someone who was close to him at the time saying he wanted "German and Japanese intervention". German makes sense, the Zimmerman telegram and such, but apparently Japan was involved enough that Japanese involvement was a remote possibility...

I'll admit I don't have a cite right now, but there's been a lot of people that said the US didn't join WW2 proper *at all*. The expansion expeditionary force is probably a good compromise (and for OOC reasons it was probably for ease of casting ) Regardless of US participation or not, the economic factors alone would catapult them up eventually, and with that comes diplomatic power (That thesis work I referenced earlier is looking at signs of the UK yielding to US decision making as early as the 1890s, through diplomatic channels alone) The reason I bring up Mexico is because right before entry into WW1 the US *did* go into Mexico after Pancho Villa, which sets up a pretty strong precedent even without more direct interventionism. As for RA2, I've always considered Europe not joining in right away to be one of those mixed things that would have probably been best worked out differently. Certainly being afraid of the nuclear threat is a valid reason, but at the same time, the US and Allies both are the Allies faction mechanically. It can be handwaved as a simplification, but it just doesn't sit well with me. Clearly there was already existing massive cooperation, and Europe basically chickened out. Again, they had a good reason, but it just doesn't feel as solid as some of the other postulations.

Aside from the Arizona monument, probably the Carville cut scenes and the longbows. To be fair, there is indeed more room to swing the US back that way in these musings. Indeed, a I also like the idea of the US falling "asleep at the wheel" so to speak before RA2 which allows the Soviets to gain strength again.

It is indeed a jump for Jeod to claim that far, but I also think it would be dangerous to assume there's just one death note out there.

Well, "simi-random", but same basic idea heh.

Well, as I said, in RA2 Mexico is definitely Soviet aligned. At first I saw that has a homage to Red Dawn (and it still is), but on and off throughout the century, even before the Cold War, there were rumblings of various shades of leftism in Latin America, not all pro-USSR. In the RA timeline it might be that something more, or at least something different came of that. To the point, however, with a longer timeframe before WW2 breaks out, I don't think merely the issues in China and Japan are enough to keep the US "busy" so to speak. In my view the US needs a reason not to get more involved in Europe than they did, and I quite like the idea that they've just dealt with enough they don't feel like taking any more direct casualties at the moment. A land invasion of Japan would certainly leave quite a mark, but in our timeline right after WW2 that didn't stop most of the world from getting involved in Korea. A good argument could be made that the stronger nations' hands were forced in that case (and we can't really 'test' alternatives as one would do with scientific hypotheses), but I think at the very least we're forced to admit that both sides in the Cold War did bite off bits and pieces of global drama here and there with great frequency. Therefore, it'd be fitting IMO if not only was the US busy 'digesting' Japan and former Japanese holdings, but they might be involved in a 'Brush War' type scenario somewhere in Latin America. Maybe Venezuela, leverage the oil angle too. Mexico would be a good case, but that might screw up the RA2 setup too much so I'd avoid that. Could also involve beefed up US involvement in the Caribbean ala the Destroyers for Bases deal, and maybe some colonial drama with Allied holdings in the area for good measure. I have a friend working on his IR thesis and he cites the US mediation of the UK colonial border with Venezuela a lot (his analysis is wrong, but that's another issue), but it just occurred to me that Venezuela has even more potential, as that's an issue a revolutionary government might try and revive, even if it was allegedly settled in the 1890s. The trick is getting the US to stop paying attention before RA2 long enough for Mexico to flip.

I think it's pretty clear he knew no result would turn up, but I don't think that that, or any of his other behavior, can indicate anything about his alignment.

Wasn't there a proposal, a loooong time ago, about base defenses (and only that) randomizing on certain maps? I'd weigh in on the size of the time and effort needed for all this is too great for the benefit, but just wondering if anyone else remembers that?

They already do On the House, and it's currently Mass Effect 2... it's a possibility...

Yeah, I learned so much about how getting any program to do what you want wasn't exactly intuitive, and probably started my cluttered, 5 backups of any game I edit (slight hyperbole) attitude. I always just copied the basic rifle infantry for new units (or a more suitable base) and never messed with the graphics or icons, so it was a rather derpy hackjob. Most of the time this resulted in having to wait for tooltips to pop up and dealing with units that go invisible when actually attacking because they didn't have the correct animation. The thing I remember that on is when I gave the rifle infantry in TS the weapon of the cyborgs to simulate an officer having an upgraded weapon.

I always liked modding my own rules.ini for personal use too. Oddly the most common things I did, besides making tiberium spread like crazy to be more 'thematic', was to add in rolls similar to what APB did with infantry, ie the shotgun, officer rolls. I think I also liked to give TS Nod infantry with a laser rifle.

He's going after Jeod hard. Either 1) This is first round silliness silliness, 2) He's an obvious diversion from something and wants to be investigated? 3) He actually does have some reasoning Jeod needs to be investigated. I mean, even with 2, that in and of itself makes him suspicious, but I'd be more interested in what he's trying to draw us away from. If it's 3, I'd have to disagree. I don't exactly trust Jeod (I don't trust anyone right now), but at the same time he hasn't really given me any reason to overly suspect him of anything either. He's playing cautious and is suspicious of the rest of us, but that's the smart thing to do, so...

Subtle difference, I mean can someone else who hasn't used their points do it. I thought you meant that only applied if someone wanted to take-backsies

It happens *sometimes* for me. Sometimes there's no list, but it pops up after a few minutes, sometimes it's there instantly but 0 players. Sometimes APB is there, but not Reborn, or sometimes the opposite. I always check the server stats page though to see if people are online, rather than the launcher.

Just a small point before other musings, about the special eyes (my braaaaand!): Technically speaking we could be any point in the timeline, and it has been stated the plot here isn't *identical* to the source material, so I'd avoid certain claims based on that. I agree with the rest of the identity suspicious analysis that KY put out there though. But that said, about who to investigate today, since investigation isn't fatal we have much less incentive to avoid it entirely, but I've not yet been convinced of who my vote should go to. With time ticking out, if anyone has strong opinions, now's the time, but nothing so far has sold me on a vote. Another trust/suspicion question though. We can add, but can we subtract from people as well?

On limpets.... anyone remember this classic? Around 6:15 for the specific part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcYbfmSSVpo

Indeed, if we can't see someone, it'd be kind of hard for them to be here interacting with us. If they were included it'd still be reasonable to assume some (most?) of us could not see them, yet there's no way to filter this thread, and if they existed only in docs we'd get mighty suspicious pretty fast when someone doesn't talk here at all, or do other day things like vote.

In a manner of speaking, Kira and L kind of want the same thing, but it's a spectrum of justice vs a perversion of justice. I could just be bloviating wildly here, but that might be a helpful way of seeing things (or not).

It could only check between the players involved in that tie, so say if two people who aren't Jeod are tied the check only cares about those two's suspicion level. That said, if an investigation of Jeod isn't desirable (for whatever reason, I'm not judging one way or the other here, that's outside the scope of this statement), being given 100 suspicion right off the bat definitely isn't good for those prospects either way.

Well I don't think anyone contested that he could do that, just that it was an unwise move, heh.

While you're here, does proposal regen at a base rate without having trust in a player?