moonsense715

From the town's viewpoint as a whole, don't forget that if either KY or me are lynched and we flip town then the mafia kills the other one of us, then you can not kill the mafia player because you are all buildings.

There are plenty of ways to prove myself. - E.g. if I don't get a training and use Fortify then KY scouts me at night (when it becomes available for him) then confirms the action in the morning, that proves my Rifle Soldier role (allies don't have a Rifle Soldier). - Secondly, if KY becomes a Starshina/Officer, he can interrogate me or check my papers. Now you could argue his finding could be false if I was a Spy but don't forget my weapon was NOT stuck when I shot. So his findings will be true. - Thirdly, if I finally get a little trust and receive a training, I could get a soviet-only role and do night actions with it (e.g. visiting you) so you could confirm the action yourself. And lastly, I guess the entire town doesn't care how many people survive the game in the end when it wins, but I'd like to go for proving my role to you and clearing KY by investigations (or confirming his alliedness, although I still think he's town) . Then we can start killing/reviving a building. I'll think about what role/action could be the most reliable proof and I ask you to do the same (unless you hate me for some other reason?).

But there are still no nightkills. The "urgent replacement" changed nothing in the game. Also how about you let me prove my alignment somehow? You name it.

There was no allied propaganda found in the Day 1 opening text, like in most of the mafia games.

I don't think a Barracks can refill a Flame Tower Jeod

I'll agree with Chaos_Knight with that even with the sniper's 25% stuck and 75% accurary, Nodlied can still be missed and then he kills us again We'd need to have a night-action-blocking the night after shooting Nodlied if the shot fails. I wonder if a HT can help somehow with that? What else can we do?

I guess we don't have time to try lynching Nodlied first before shooting him, as then he could do a nightkill, right?

I'll be waiting then.

I'm OK with the idea. I think Nodlied didn't do nightkills either because of the Visceroids stopping him, or because he needed charge-up time to activate (due to being damaged or just simply). KY can't watch me when getting Engineer this night but can watch me next night when I'm using it to revive the Chronosphere. If Cat5 and Chaos_Knight don't oppose, I'll also vote nolynch to hammer it.

I know I am good at improvising and stuff. And I also believe in the power of science and human mind achieving almost impossible. But... Do I look like a Kennel to you? I asked for the list of available units before, got answers here: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=625102 https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=625090 The Attack Dog was available in a previous game, and this game has listed the Dog too in the first post. So I'm assuming the Dog is available, but only KY can confirm this. If you could comrade, please tell us? Anyway, KY we should download Cat5, Chaos_Knight and Jeod onto floppy disks and run away from the base before it gets chrono-f***ed up. Maybe also throw a Heavy Tank at it to feed it. If this is even possible

I'm totally fine with your vote and I find it fair too. Although as I've said, I posted that long wall of text without reading Verti's day opener post (except for the part that says noone was killed. If he stated I was dead I wouldn't have posted, obviously) KY please confirm that you watched me and saw nothing. That should clear me for tonight at least. I never cleared this up before. I was hoping for a barracks training and becoming an Attack Dog to sniff everyone night by night. This would have been good for everyone since every day as I say what I know and the target confirming he was visited and confirming what I say, it's clearing everyone slowly. (and I could bite too to prove my dog role)

Thanks for clarification. Ok I proved my gun now. If you want further proof I'm a Rifle Soldier, KY watch me again and I will Fortify. You will confirm it and then I'm clear (both of us can't be mafia ) Also I didn't expect much from the chrono vortex but we should do something about it... any ideas what we can do? And the link to Fraydo?

Sorry Verti. I guess even putting it as technical doesn't help x.x Thanks for the edit. Guess actions nullified. As promised: I received nothing this night. But someone was watching me, and I am 100% sure it was Killing_You. O well, wasted opportunity comrade. Better luck next time. Btw, Cat5 voted on me the previous day, so I don't understand why he got the -1 penalty now. His vote was counted here: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=625176

Good morning comrades. I wrote down my thoughts in advance since there was nothing happening on my side during the night. Plenty of time to think about stuff for me. The length of this post proves that this is not the reaction to the morning results, I've typed up the possibilities I've accounted for before the morning. Actually I wish I could post this during the night but IIRC we aren't allowed to post these kinds of things at night. OK Killing_You, your logic works tbh, but since you can only see the situation from your viewpoint and everyone is only sure about their own identity, read my thoughts. Nightkill possibilities I expected 3 possibilities regarding tonight's nightkill that I treat different: Nobody is killed: This is the best outcome. We can argue today and I can defend myself and post this message. I am killed: Second best outcome for the town. Jeod and KY turned on me quickly with accusations after Nodlied was killed; but with me gone, town can drop this story entirely and the mafia vets can sort the situation out easier. This could not happen, because I'm posting this. Someone else is killed (not me): The worst outcome. If I switched role with the current mafia player, I would have done this. Why? 5 players left atm. Nightkill happens (Day 5 rises), 4 left. Convince town to kill moonsense ("omg he was it!"), 3 left. Nightkill, 2 left (1 town, 1 mafia, GG). But I can still defend myself and post this message in this case. Now if nobody was killed, these are the possibilities: There are no mafia players left ingame and we are waiting for something to happen, and in the mean time we are killing ourselves. There is 1 mafia player left but is waiting for something, or cannot kill, and/or trying to make us turn against/kill eachother. If the second case here stands (or if someone was actually killed at night), then we can be sure there is still 1 mafia player left. Night actions I was also thinking about what night actions could have happened during Night 4. I was considering using Fortify because seriously there's absolutely nothing a Rifle Soldier can do and I wanted to do at least something with this class. But I decided no (fortunately). Why? Because you guys said that I can half-proof my Rifle role by shooting someone today. Using Fortify makes me unable to shoot and if noone is watching me at night, he can't confirm my role either. Cat5 and Chaos_Knight might handed out tanks and trainings during the night, might not. I don't really care if you did and who to on this day, unless I received them (I'll state it in my next post). Jeod has probably gone into Defense Mode if his claim as a Flame Tower (but at least a base defense) is true (he can do it every night) The only player's night action that concerns me is Killing_You's. He's a sniper and I honestly hope he scouted someone. If he scouted me he wasted his time. Like I said I can only do Fortify at night, which I didn't. Scouting anyone else can either further proove a town role, or suspect a mafia role. So Killing_You, what have you seen tonight if I may ask? My thoughts about the players And now the question is, who is the mafia player (if any are left)? I'm going to use your list KY since you summed it up nicely. Going by it, you left one suspect, me. Let me extend that list with another player: Jeod. Let's go through your list. I agree with this. Cat5 is crossed out. He is a Soviet War Factory. He was lynch-proofed last day (and Jeod was the only one that suggested shooting him, and now he's attacking me for not shooting Cat5, mind you), and ChopBam confirmed he got a Heavy Tank from him, FYI here: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=624795 (also look at your arguments with Jeod around that post, Cat5 and KY, and Choppy also voted on him) And ChopBam is gone so Cat5 and ChopBam are NOT a mafia-team (prooved further by the now-dead Nodlied, I'm still building on the theory that there cannot be 3 mafia in this game. Cat5+Chop+Nodlied = 3.) I am also agreeing with this. At least 3 people would be lying (4 including Nodlied) if he wasn't sending out training tickets. He would 100% not do this as an allied barracks to help us kill his teammates. So Chaos_Knight is clear. To me you are also clear by the fact you shot Nodlied to death even before our agreed deadline. I just can't imagine that when Nodlied wasn't defending himself and you'd be mafia, with this few players left, you'd keep on going with the attack (instead of trying to defend him) and shoot him yourself. Many of your claims were also proven anyway. You're out. What bothers me is that even after this, Jeod STILL listed you as a possible mafia player: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=625184 Come on, nope.avi. KY is town. True. We also have evidence he can shoot. He shot Mojoman on Day 3 here: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=624653 So he's either a base-defense or somehow became lynch-proof during Day 3 when he got lynched. His team isn't confirmed by anyone or any action. He was shooting a Visceroid. Since I know that I am a Rifle Soldier (I know it doesn't matter how many times I say it), everyone is else is clear in my eyes and if there is still a mafia player ingame, then it's Jeod. And in worst case scenario, he's an Allied Pillbox/Turret, I was wondering about it here first: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=625076 Please point out where I haven't been completely open with my communication and actions. I know that I haven't proven my identity by actions, but right now I am glad you didn't vote for me to shoot Cat5 "just to prove it". Now read the 3rd night action outcome above again. If I was not killed at night and you lynch me next but I am NOT the mafia player, game over. If outcome 1 is currently, then FUCK YEAH! I don't even mind if you shoot/bite/lynch/shit on me, as there are enough players left to make the town win. Conclusion Back to Jeod, it was proven with Nodlied that there CAN be unlynchable mafia buildings and being a base defense makes this worse: if he is visited at night, using Defense Mode, visitor is killed. So if I was an Allied base defence, I'd personally convince the town to kill eachother and if anyone tries to visit me at night, they are dead. (And on the last nights, stop defense mode and do the kills myself.) (If an Allied Defense couldn't do nightkills, then if the last allied player IS the defense, he could only win if the last player visited at night. But then if the last soviet player was something that couldn't visit (e.g. also a building), game couldn't end (tie)) If Jeod is killed but flips town, then something went wrong with my role pm and PLEASE lynch me next (I am a Rifle Soldier, lynchable). The only other possibility I can see here is that there are no mafia left (not even Jeod) and we're being messed with. Or Game moderator is using !forcetc on someone every day. So after all this text. The only way to kill an allied base defense is shooting it in Battle Phase. So if you guys don't mind, I'll do it now. ##vote Jeod and ##shoot Jeod (voting for lynch in case he was just one-time lynch proofed. If my shooting fails and we lynch Jeod and he STILL can't be lynched, that is no loss for town, and he is 100% surely a base defense, but his team needs proving somehow.) Lastly I have a question to everyone (except Jeod ): Is this proving my soviet team alignment in any way? I do not actually understand what Verti meant by this message: https://secure.w3dhub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415942&p=624651 next killed person may be considered - what does this mean? obviously only soviet one. - does this mean the next killed person is soviet or it's a mistake by Verti revealing Wally's team? I'll look for more ways to prove myself town if this WHOLE post didn't get through to you guys by now. <edited>

It's a shame, he's been pushing me forward for 2 minutes straight from behind, and no teammates showed up to shoot him I drove into the lake myself though.

Nope, the majority of you voted not to shoot him. Don't put the blame on me. I was eager to shoot Nodlied. We decided KY first there too. "Mafia edit": Verti, how many players are needed to go back to 24 hour days? 4?

Verti can I shoot the ground to prove shooting or I must target someone? Additionally, can I target myself?

And how do I prove town? Shooting myself? I can't do anything with the current class. KY please scout someone you think would be useful at night.

Thanks for the lot of untrust. I also don't see where I appeared not as town >.> Either way as promised: ##vote Category 5 Hurricane Can I receive a training please if possible? This rifle can't do jack at night.

CK, how did you quote something from Jeod he hasn't actually said (bottom line)? Unless he edited his text. Waiting 10 more minutes before going for a lynch unless people change their mind. If we lose it's what you guys majority voted for so don't blame me alone

We proved just now that Allies can be unlynchable buildings. Cat5 voted for getting lynched KY voted for Cat5 to be lynched Chaos_Knight voted for Cat5 to be lynched Jeod voted for Cat5 to be shot 3v1 so far, any other additions?

Chaos_Knight, your thoughts?

So you're not afraid of what happens if Cat5 explodes/wins by getting lynched? Secondly, is it even possible that we have 2 allies left still?

How is Killing_You a suspect? If he was scum he just killed his own teammate. Isaac and Mojoman pointed Nodlied out right.

I don't think Weather Control Device is allowed in an APB themed game. Either way I was still not given an opportunity to prove I can shoot :/ This is bad for me. Maybe I'll shoot myself if I get a lot of votes so you can still lynch someone else (Is self-shooting even allowed? Or a suicide command?)