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When a two players are bussed, the people making actions on those players are not told that they visited the wrong target. You were told about your action being directly modified to target me, but you were not told that I was switched with kamuixmod. FRAYDO got a Third Party result because he actually visited kamuixmod You saw FRAYDO visit kamuixmod because you also visited kamuixmod kamuixmod felt he was watched by someone, because you watched him ChopBam tracked me and saw that I didn't do anything I was not alerted that anyone tracked me, though I was attacked. Outside of kamuixmod, who was actually watched, nobody has claimed to have been tracked by ChopBam, probably because TheIrishman decided to not have trackers alert the target It all matches up this way.

Do you know how bussing works?

Total nightkill immunity? No. Being nightkilled sends me away for a while where I can't participate and also potentially make it harder to complete my secondary objective (which is why I set up a situation to complete that objective right away). If the game ends while I'm still in an alternate history, I lose.

You have reported that FRAYDO visited the same target as you watched. That does not mean that you watched me. Given that we now have proof that I was bussed with kamuixmod as FRAYDO cannot have gotten a Third Party result otherwise, we know that somebody has a bus driver action of some sort. That action does not appear to have been triggered N2, so I currently think it's kamuixmod's passive. (He complained about not being visited N2, nobody seemed to be bussed N2, might be connected) IF THE BUSSER IS STILL ALIVE AND BUSSED ALSTAR WITH ANYONE ELSE NIGHT 2, YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP RIGHT NOW. We also need to look for evidence that anyone was bussed today. Action claims that don't match might be evidence of this. ChopBam tracked me, but I did not receive a message saying that he did so (nor did anybody claim to after N2) so either the Tracker doesn't alert the target, or I didn't get told that because I didn't do anything for ChopBam to track. Meanwhile, kamuixmod claimed to have been watched. And wouldn't you know, I put all that together along with the fact that only a Third Party player could have known it was MYLO yesterday, and then kamuixmod flips Third Party. Total shocker. I'm still looking at Killing_You as well. I'm reminded that OrangeP47 took a shot at Killing_You for reasons that are no longer apparent to me. KY shooting FRAYDO would have been beneficial to Mafia. Why didn't OrangeP47 just let it go? Was that just an attempt at distancing from his teammate? Furthermore, Jeod hasn't managed to keep his thinking consistent over the last couple days. During the night, he called Killing_You town because he tried to kill Alstar, but also called Alstar town because he thinks Alstar was bussed. If Nodlied is town, Jeod is town, Killing_You is town, and Alstar is town, there are too many town. I already proved that there are three town remaining and it can't be any other number. Nodlied is locked town to me because I investigated him, and my investigation was confirmed accurate to at least the flavor due to Alstar. I know everything he can do. I'm pretty sure Jeod is town, but I see wiggle room for a scenario where it might be possible that he can make unblockable kills, which leaves the possibility open. As long as mafia is among Killing_You and Alstar, victory is at hand. We get one wrong, it's fine, lynch the other. The big task for me today is going to be eliminating Jeod from the suspect list, because that is the one situation that will make me uncomfortable, if I'm sitting there at the final 3 with Killing_You or Alstar and Jeod as the only two left and my mind is still nagging me about Jeod.

No fucking way. Nodlied is town. I said he's town because he is town. Don't make up a story on my motivations. I don't have to be afraid of scum. The worst they can do to me is lynch me, or win/lose while I'm out of the loop. I attempted to jail kamuixmod. Wound up jailing Nodlied instead. Nodlied should be able to confirm this in the same way Jeod confirmed my last action. By the way, since I did jail Nodlied, this means he cannot be the killer either. Killing_You and Alstar are the only options.

I've never heard of insane cop reports returning Third Party on a Neutral, though to be honest, I have no idea what an insane role would do in that situation. I think it's easier to think that kamuixmod and I were bussed than FRAYDO was insane. Besides, I have more evidence for that. I did not receive a PM saying that I felt that i was watched N1 along with being attacked. After so many people said they were missing part or all of their expected PM, I asked about it. He said that I wasn't missing anything. Alstar didn't watch me. He watched kamuixmod, and kamuixmod said that he was watched, not tracked, and Alstar has confirmed that FRAYDO visited the same target and is why he got a Third Party result. I didn't get a notification that I was tracked, because I didn't take an action. It appears that Alstar's nightkill then is unblockable, as it hit the original target through bussing and through....whatever you call Killing_You's role, while his watching role always hit a different target. kamuixmod, my only action so far has been taken on Jeod, and was confirmed by him to have no negative effect. Well, it would have roleblocked him if he had a night action. Point is, he's alive. Nodlied, given the misdirection roles we can't call our shots, but I will say I'm counting on you to prevent the nightkill.

Alright, so because TheIrishman had to fix the Mafia win condition, that changes all the calculations and I have to start again. Because the original condition was that Mafia had to match Town numbers only, and it was possible for Mafia to win if Town was lynched, then there was one more Town than Mafia in the game before the lynch. With 7 players, this allows these setups: 3 Town 2 Mafia 1 Third Party 1 Neutral That's it. Nothing else is possible. You could also believe there are two Third Parties and I'm not Neutral, but fuck you. 4 Town/3 Mafia? No. Third Party confirmed to exist by FRAYDO. 2 Town/1 Mafia? Seriously? That's mean there was only 1 Mafia to begin with and Third Party has 3 members. Given that setup, I'm now looking at this as our remaining crowd. Town Nodlied Jeod Killing_You or Alstar Mafia Alstar or Killing_You Third Party kamuixmod Neutral Category5 First point, why is kamuixmod Third Party? I think kamuixmod is Third Party because he knew earlier than seemingly anyone else that it was potentially LYLO. kamuixmod clearly caught that the Mafia win condition was just about outnumbering town, and not outnumbering everyone not mafia. Given that, how does kamuixmod think that it's LYLO when one minute prior, he pointed out 4 town, 2 Mafia, 1 TP in his player list? He thinks this because he's Third Party. There is no other explanation. If he's town or mafia, he thinks I'm Third Party, and there are 4 town. But he's Third Party, and he believes my alignment is as I claim (or am at least a separate Third Party), and therefore only 3 Town are left, not 4, and it's MYLO according to the original Mafia victory conditions. Only a Third Party is in position to think this, and kamuixmod knew this, therefore kamuixmod is Third Party. Done deal. By the way, as I've said before, the only person besides Nodlied to never be effected by the action switching, is kamuixmod. We know that Killing_You is responsible for some of it and have actually seen one example (Alstar targeting himself) that exactly fits Killing_You's claim, but kamuixmod is responsible for the rest. kamuixmod, afterall, has not been confirmed to take any action at any point of this game, and that doesn't make sense. Now, for the rest. Jeod was jailed by me. He didn't do the nightkill on ChopBam. He's Town. Because of Killing_You, Alstar visited himself. We seem to know this because Alstar knows exactly who visited him, which was FRAYDO and Killing_You. This means that both people I suspect could have killed ChopBam are already tied up doing other actions. What's the deal? Killing_You might be the explanation for this. If his target is sending multiple actions, does each action have a chance of being reflected separately? If this is true, then Alstar could get the nightkill out while having his watcher role reflected. This would be consistent with the fact that I was attacked N1, and Alstar also watched me at the same time. The other option is that Killing_You split his actions, but I have nothing that supports that argument. Because there is no evidence that anybody was bussed N2, I believe FRAYDO's result was accurate. kamuixmod and I were bussed N1 as I covered before. Combining these all these points makes me reasonably confident that Alstar is Mafia, and Killing_You is Town.

This would also open the door for FRAYDO's N2 on Alstar to be correct when his N1 wasn't.

##vote OrangeP47

I don't have time to explain, but over night I came to the conclusion that the game state is 2 v 2 v 2 v 1 Town Jeod Nodlied TP kamuixmod Killing_You Mafia Alstar OrangeP47 Neutral Myself Crux of the argument is that actions taken on and taken from OrangeP47 were switched to another target, and kamuixmod and I were bussed, leading to FRAYDO getting a 3rd Party on kamuixmod while ChopBam saw me do nothing.

Unless someone wants to suggest that Chaos_Knight is secretly participating.

Are you sure about that? TheIrishman made a late post about waiting for feedback, and then the opening post talked about chaos already being sown among us. That sure suggests to me that at least one person had N0 actions.

I'm not sure Killing_You's claimed role would cause that on it's own. I'm also not sure I believe his claim, because it's awful close to the kind of role (or roles) I think is out there, and the amount of unknowns left behind make it such that it seems there needs to be two other roles involved. Did anyone have a Night 0 action?

When a bus driver switches players, usually the people who wind up targeting them do not know the switch occured. When the a players target is the thing switched, then the player is usually told. Yours seems to act like the latter. If there is also a former in there, these two sets of actions could interact in very interesting ways.

Because a bus driver would be able to explain FRAYDO's incorrect investigations. He's actually getting a result on a different player than he thinks he is.

I've already responded to your wall of text. Lynching anyone other than mafia loses you the game. If you believe me Third Party, spending time on such a case is effectively a distraction all on it's own. I think we should lynch OrangeP47 and then you guys can argue over me versus who you think the other Mafia player is. Also, if the bus driver is not mafia, I'd appreciate a roleclaim now so that we can figure out the night actions right now and can work out the Alstar mystery (and mine in the process)

Allow me to deconstruct this night action claim a little bit. 50% chance that the first action taken is reflected back to the action taker 25% chance nothing happens 25% chance that target has action reflected upon target What happens if a bus driver mixes in with this chain?

uuuh, I think I need to make a chart of the claimed targets. I've lost track of who claimed what was done to who, apparently.

So you reflected actions on OrangeP47 night 1. This resulted in FRAYDO getting a result on me instead (which was incorrect) and ChopBam tracked kamuixmod. If FRAYDO's result was an error, was ChopBam's also an error? Did kamuixmod actually do something? Who was your N2 target?

I was already hard at work trying to figure out who was which alignment in a 2 v 2 v 2 v 1. Was having a damn hard time trying to figure out who the second town member had to be, as only Nodlied is confirmed to me. Is it Jeod, it it Alstar, who is it?

So sorry for misreading that statement, but honestly it felt like you coming out during Deathnote all over again.

Because I've never seen or even really heard of that movie. I don't watch movies. It was difficult to even find a character that would be allowed in this game given that TheIrishman originally wanted to limit choices to horror films only.

Haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

What do you bargain over with Mafia?

That just sounds like a plausible roleclaim that's very close but isn't exactly your role. It's like you just tweaked a few words, because I don't have to change very many of your words to explain what has been happening so far in this game. And you've just openly asked for cooperation with Mafia. You're a team of two.