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Your "POOF I'M HERE DON'T VOTE FOR ME" absolutely would not have worked on me. It looked like a scum panic. That said, I didn't understand why anyone voted for you. I'd probably been voting ChopBam for what looked like a SK-slip earlier in the day, unless I decided to believe Jeod's good arguments that himself and ChopBam were clear, in which case I probably would have pushed for Killing_You given Jeod's really excellent argument that KY was the only person that had to be part of a scum team. I thought that was great analysis. I still think you are quietly one of the better players here. Spectate the game a little less and dig into the fray(do) a bit more to take advantage of your good compass. I vote Voe as worst town. Even though he wasn't town. And I get second prize. @KY What good are town power roles when 42% of town is dead D2?

A lights to flag town loss. I agree with Voe, this game was too far scum sided. I'm not sure why we keep doing so many scum. 25% + 1 is too much. This game actually went further than that and went 25% + 1 + 1. A massive 36% percent of players were anti-town on the start. Because Voe wound up helping scum 100% of the time, the game was within a chance of ending after N2 if Voe was allowed to kill a different townie than scum did. That is way too fast. With 20% of 11 being 2.2, Allied team should have been 2 players, with maybe one TP.

So Jeod, about those notes. I've got my own set, if you want to compare.

ChopBam has been fensesitting, called out a VERTi60 town lynch, tried to slow down the lynch, been told something (potentially in a scum doc over the past two days, and thinks Jeod should be investigated. If both Jeod and VERTi60 are town, this could be a scum ChopBam POV. And voting no lynch to boot. Ah, but I don't have time to question him on this. I'm actually a bit sorry for doing this, VERTi60, but I have to see what you are. ##vote VERTi60

Oh! Dammit, I just reread my notes and realized I forgot something I wanted to point out. A while back ChopBam said he was told Jeod plays the same as town. When and where was he told this?

I admit, I still have some reservations, which is why I haven't voted yet. To some degree I agree with what Voe and Nodlied have been cautioning about and I also don't like Jeod's parade. I also still want to know what Alstar meant without someone else explaining it for him, because that statement flagged my attention. Could you respond directly, please?

GET READY! HERE IT COMES! First, I want to talk about the side shows. Starting with Jeod. This happened really early in the game, but I want to bring this back to the fore. Here is a guy who declared three people town after just a handful of posts. Incase you don't remember, these three were VERTi60, Voe, and Mojoman. You used a very flimsy argument to make this declaration, which you made sound like you were very certain of at the time. Didn't take you very long to whip-lash that opinion, did it? I feel like your arguments have been pretty sound otherwise, but this one sticks out as......I'm not even sure what to call it. Absurd? This combined with the rolefishing and role directing that you always do will keep me watching you even though I currently agree with your other suspicions. I said that I would manipulate things to avoid Meta arguments. There could be third party, there could not be. There could even be two mafia factions. So what you are saying is that there isn't three mafia factions. No seriously, unless specifically asked to clarify, please refrain from stepping in to arguments. The fact that you responded to Killing_You on this statement clears him as being third party, as you would know that he doesn't need to be told that if he himself was third party. There will be another comment on this later. Chaos_Knight's early vote on VERTi60 is entirely justified and not suspicious at all. Certainly not as suspicious as a neutral role that wasn't defined beforehand just happening to kill the two roles that had the highest chance to kill the remaining scum role, and then the remaining scum role just happening to dismantle into a role that worked against the meta town was using to trap him, and then the shot that scum member took went exactly as scum needed it to, and then the town shot went exactly as scum needed it to, and then the lynch result also played completely into scum favor. Imagine all that. How lucky that guy was. He specifically called it a revenge vote, which if he were mafia, he would not need to do. He could issue revenge personally and quietly as mafia. To call this vote suspicious, is suspicious. VERTi60. Speaking of you, it's time to dig into this mess. What are you playing at here? In the case that both of you are town, you know full well that telegraphing this could be taken advantage by scum to do exactly as you say so that the next lynch is clear. And then in the case where he is mafia, the fact that you said this could be used in the reverse to put your own claim into question. The only play where this would make sense, is if you are mafia and you need someone to become the lynch target instead and Jeod is currently the other lightning rod in the room. This claim that you cannot be cop checked and can get yourself killed implies that you are claiming Hider. However, if this were true, your role could be confirmed as the cop result would be a FAIL, not a TOWN or NOT TOWN result. So if you are telling the truth, I'm not sure why you think you can't be cleared. Unless you are mafia, of course. I also can't imagine what role APB has that would fit this. I find it more than a little odd that you are using a strategy that you previously (and later in this thread) called a mistake when I did it last game. It looks to me like you are trying to cling to the fact that I used this strategy as town and loudly referencing it to try to save yourself. Your own words show that you think this strategy doesn't work, so you have to be using my lynch to protect yourself. Based on how you accepted GeneralCamo's surrender instantly, you have to have hoped that it would instantly trigger. You did type the whole command, so it should have been valid. Which leads to this: Did you just mod confirmed my alignment? That's so baaaaaaad. Take note of this, everyone. He issues the command for a modkill. The next post says that a modkill of a scum member continues the game. VERTi60 asks a minute later if GeneralCamo just confirmed his alignment. The only way VERTi60 could see this as a confirmation of his alignment is if VERTi60 is scum and GeneralCamo didn't end the day, which could be mistaken as a confirmation. GeneralCamo didn't confirm the alignment as he was just stating what would happen, but VERTi60's reaction did. So now all that's left to do is hammer this motherfu-- Actually, no, I have more. Can you expand on this a bit? Who is being baited?

You also lynched me because I didn't claim when I was on the board and called it my fault, and now you are sitting here defending VERTi60 for doing the same.

Well, since I myself have voted for myself in a similar situation to make people nervous of lynching me, I could certainly see VERTi60 doing that. Especially with how VERTi60 has been mimicking my tactics of late. For example, faking a posting restriction (which I did as town, but he did as mafia), refusing to reveal all of his role details (which I did as town and he did as ???, which he also called a mistake at the time but he's doing it now anyway) and this vote gambit, which I did as town and he did as ???. So I'm certainly not ready to say that just because VERTi60 does "X", he must be town.

When is hammer? I'm not sure I'm going to have time to contribute before the day is over. I'm only part way through my more thorough review of the thread, but currently I'm watching VERTi60 and Voe as a scum team. I currently think that certain pairs of people cannot be on the same anti-town faction: Voe-Jeod, VERTi60-Jeod, Chaos_Knight-VERTi60. Unlike last game where Mojoman never received support, VERTi60 has, and I think flipping him is the current best move regardless of what his alignment is at it will reveal a lot. And I want to lynch the fuck out of him, so bonus.

WHY! I WANT TO VOTE VERTI60 BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE HAMMER! YOU ASS HOLES! Gotta go shovel for a few hours. I'll be back after.

Yeah. It's different, but I like it.

That was a great read, actually. Please do that again.

You have no idea how infuriating this game is. You also probably don't know why. But you will soon! I will not be playing VERTi60 games again until he can earn my trust that he won't directly manipulate games like he has this one.

I will join this.

Hi guys, I'm back. I seem to have lost an eye after I crashed into a Chrono Vortex, apparently, but I'm ok. I killed a Schrodinger's Spy on the way here. How are things going? Oh. Nevermind, I, uh, need to be....anywhere else. See ya!

Slacker! The Games is bad!

My wife needs my laptop right now since her's is broken, so I can't bring it with me to work. This will very likely be my last post before hammer. I support lynching Issac, FRAYDO, or ChopBam, in that order. Issac because of meta-analysis of Killing_You and also lingering suspicion from Day 1, not to mention how useless he has been to the discussion so far. FRAYDO because he also doesn't seem to be getting involved. ChopBam because I think it would be a safe lynch as I believe his building claim and would remove some possibilities that he is faking his role. I support Chaos shooting Voe or Mojoman, in that order. Voe, because his alignment is fishy, and he claims vehicle which would make Chaos' shot a sure thing (also could test Chaos's role if he is lying for some reason) Mojoman because he has been all over the board all game and it would be nice to know what he is. ##vote Issac the Madd

Well sure. You claim it isn't harmful to me and even makes it so that I can win regardless of town victory or not, so why would I object to that? Of course, if you actually flip me to 3rd party, you should know from experience that I won't comply with my new victory conditions.

Oh, Voe, if you can convert anybody, go ahead and convert an Allied Building so we don't have to shoot it to win. k thx bye I wonder why I have to find the airfield if you don't. That seems odd. I also don't know for sure what happens when I get there. I think my role will change, but I don't know.

If everyone claiming so far is telling the truth as they say it, only FRAYDO and Issac remain as players we know nothing about. Makes my job easier, I guess. Chaos, you don't have a masonry right now, is that correct? Do you just land after firing? How do you find the airstrip if you don't know who it is? That should mean that whatever Mojoman was saying about Issac is something he can't know unless he's an the Allied or TP faction together with him.

Mojoman, do you know exactly the number of players per alignment as you implicated earlier?

Not really. Lynching someone suspected to be a building makes that person more clear by removing alternate possibilities, which Mafia doesn't want. It also drags the game out longer with the lack of a death. Pressing for a ChopBam lynch may bring out a counter-reaction from people who'd really rather have a mislynch than a nolynch.

I include him because I believe his claim, though believing it could be risky if he was faking it. There is no benefit to a mafia player to lynch him because if his claim is true (which a mafia player would know for near-certain) he won't be lynched anyway.