Chaos_Knight Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 8:58 PM, Jeod said: Where am I asking others for guidance? I said very clearly at the start of the day that I would be hunting for a reason to vote a player instead of just doing a random D1 lynch. I have found that reason, I have articulated that reason, and it's being met with resistance despite the logic behind it. Expand I am telling you to chill out a bit. That's all On 5/27/2017 at 8:58 PM, Jeod said: simply requesting that, if players feel that it's incorrect, to present an alternative rather than submitting rebuttals that don't hold water and being in favor of an entirely random lynch. Expand Well, it's not completely random. Not as random as this whole game come to think of it. What IMO absolutely has to be done is that we need to determine the factors which assign people to be specific roles. If we manage to nail that mechanic early, we might be able to track down scum before all the %'s get too messed up to follow with a degree in quantum mechanics. My own theory is that 2 people with the highest OC at the start of the day are assigned to flip as "Organization" when lynched. Same for other roles. Thus to find who's the target we need to try and determine who currently has the highest OC. 2 of these people can be whom we are after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Well maybe now that these questions are explicit we can get some answers. i mean, they're good questions, but I totally see how your tone might have set a newbie off. I mean, in the Mass Effect game at MU, some kid actually *blocked* me because I was questioning him so hard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 8:57 PM, Chaos_Knight said: What's the point of it though? 3rd person can be both alive or dead, and time machine would still become available to use. Expand Vaguely forgot about that. On 5/27/2017 at 9:01 PM, Jeod said: Well, if she is indeed a Rounder, then she can do the same thing I asked Choppy to do if he was one: come out and say it, out the partner, and RNGUpa into another alignment. As sad as it is, two players are Rounders today and our goal is to find them. Such is mafia. Expand On 5/26/2017 at 12:16 AM, Category 5 Hurricane said: Players in this doc will be kept anonymous, as Time Machine use may change who is on the SERN Team. Reveal yourselves at your own risk. Expand Maybe, but only if the other partner revealed themselves. And just to help confirm this mess, Misa, what specific time did you send your PM? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:05 PM, Chaos_Knight said: My own theory is that 2 people with the highest OC at the start of the day are assigned to flip as "Organization" when lynched. Same for other roles. Thus to find who's the target we need to try and determine who currently has the highest OC. 2 of these people can be whom we are after. Expand I'd agree with that, except that we all have 15% OC as of today, so if Rounders weren't decided based on visiting N0, then it's been RNG'd. I considered that when I proposed lynching Nodlied, since there was no way to decide who would be the best lynch target, but then I began building the case for Misa's curious absence from a lab. As it so happen, she is also one of the players with a currently 15% OC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_Knight Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Now, let's take a look at the table (by TIM, fixed by me). Bells & Whistles Irish OP47 FRAY CK Nod Jeod KY Misa Mojo KMod CB [D0 AC]-[N0 OC] 100-9 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 100-18 N0 Investigation FRAY = T Mojo = T CK = T Jeod = T CK = O OP47 = T Jeod = O OP47 = T Self = ? Self = O OP47 = T [D1 AC]-[D1 OC] 100-9 82-15 91-15 82-15 100-18 82-15 100-18 100-18 82-15 100-18 100-18 N1 [OC] N1 Investigation [D2 AC]-[D2 OC] So, if nobody lied about their %'s, we have the following suspects: Nodlied Misa KMod ChopBam We also have Mojoman whom we know little about which is kinda suspicious for me personally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 @CK: Precisely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:09 PM, Chaos_Knight said: So, if nobody lied about their %'s, we have the following suspects: Nodlied Misa KMod ChopBam We also have Mojoman whom we know little about which is kinda suspicious for me personally. Expand You're missing Killing_You 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 You forgot KY in there, by the way. The fact remains that I currently have more of a reason to lynch Misa than any of our other suspects. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_Knight Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:12 PM, TheIrishman said: You're missing Killing_You Expand Yeah. KY is also a suspect. And even more so, he's kinda a lurker. Also Mojo is in the doc with Orange. Orange targeted Mojo. Might mean that Mojo visited himself and hooked up with Orange. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Why exactly are we linking FGLs to rounders again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:18 PM, OrangeP47 said: Why exactly are we linking FGLs to rounders again? Expand Because Misa, Chop and I all visited you, yet only Chop and I are in a FGL. I hypothesized that for N0, the Rounders were chosen in the same manner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:14 PM, Chaos_Knight said: Yeah. KY is also a suspect. And even more so, he's kinda a lurker. Also Mojo is in the doc with Orange. Orange targeted Mojo. Might mean that Mojo visited himself and hooked up with Orange. Expand That's correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Eh, well I disagree with that. I think it was said in the example video it's just the percents and then if they're equal it's random between them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_Knight Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:21 PM, OrangeP47 said: Eh, well I disagree with that. I think it was said in the example video it's just the percents and then if they're equal it's random between them. Expand So we have 5 people with claimed 18% and 2 of them can be the targets we are looking for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:21 PM, OrangeP47 said: Eh, well I disagree with that. I think it was said in the example video it's just the percents and then if they're equal it's random between them. Expand I'll admit that when squared up with Rounders being chosen by RNG from the highest OC/RC%, the latter wins. There's still the matter of Misa being a suspect in either case, and her complete OMGUS to my vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Of the 5 targets Kmod has been decently active. Last game Nod was pretty inactive and almost won commonly citing his inactivity as an excuse. Chopbam has been pretty distant KY also has been pretty inactive Misa seems to follow suit, but she's also new. Most new people hang back until they get a feel for things, or at least that's what I did. On 5/27/2017 at 9:18 PM, OrangeP47 said: Why exactly are we linking FGLs to rounders again? Expand It's Jeod's hypothesis. I don't think it's true. It's more likely that the limit is only 1 for people to become part of a FGL. From the video and from the explanation of the game, everything seems to follow chances. Your organization chance wouldn't matter if it was derived purely from who you targeted. Even for only the first day, it seems silly. Also Orange already confirmed his FGL with Mojo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I'd really just say the OMGUS is due to being a newbie. I mean yeah, I'm not saying she's squeaky clean, but I think instantly assuming she's the scum is slightly too uncharitable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 OMGUS? Oh My God..something something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:27 PM, OrangeP47 said: I'd really just say the OMGUS is due to being a newbie. I mean yeah, I'm not saying she's squeaky clean, but I think instantly assuming she's the scum is slightly too uncharitable. Expand Only it wasn't an instant assumption. Swap Misa's name with Nodlied and you'd be correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:29 PM, TheIrishman said: OMGUS? Oh My God..something something? Expand http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/OMGUS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:29 PM, Jeod said: Only it wasn't an instant assumption. Swap Misa's name with Nodlied and you'd be correct. Expand BTW, is there any sort of pattern to you switching between paragon and renegade icons? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:30 PM, OrangeP47 said: BTW, is there any sort of pattern to you switching between paragon and renegade icons? Expand Paragon looks better when reading the thread. I believe it stands out more than Renegade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:29 PM, Jeod said: http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/OMGUS Expand hehe, I'll admit, it was about 30% of the reason I punched Chopbam in the previous game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:32 PM, Jeod said: Paragon looks better when reading the thread. I believe it stands out more than Renegade. Expand Just struck me, cause the Mass Effect game is technically still ongoing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Coincidentally I've been replaying the trilogy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Also, we need to consider this: When we catch a rounder, their investigation targets die.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:35 PM, Jeod said: Coincidentally I've been replaying the trilogy. Expand I bought Andromeda last weekend. Loving it so far. Best friend bought it same time and I'm a bit annoyed the mafia game sapped so much of my time that she's a good 2-3 story missions ahead of me now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:35 PM, OrangeP47 said: Also, we need to consider this: When we catch a rounder, their investigation targets die.... Expand Correct. There's a conflict of interest when it comes to lynching a potential Rounder if they've targeted you already. If you want to win as a town, then you need to have the balls to accept death if it comes down to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 9:38 PM, Jeod said: Correct. There's a conflict of interest when it comes to lynching a potential Rounder if they've targeted you already. If you want to win as a town, then you need to have the balls to accept death if it comes down to that. Expand Spicy If it comes to that I will, but my previous stance stands. It actually only hit me literally as I made that post that if Misa's a rounder that I die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I'm Yugo and a Donald Trump supporter, what do you expect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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