Jeod Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Really, we're all like third party with our own goals being to seize the throne. At this rate however it looks like either nobody wants to take it from me or nobody can contest it. It might be a balance thing, it might be a player skill thing, it might be both. But as long as nobody wants the throne or can't possibly take it by force, the game is over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Jeod said: "There can't be a rebellion if there is nobody left to rebel"--this is the line of thinking I completely disagree with and what I have an issue with. That's what happens when the game is set up so the First Rebellion is supposed to succeed, and we actually have generic actions locked behind it such as a house choosing to go independent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jeod said: Really, we're all like third party with our own goals being to seize the throne. At this rate however it looks like either nobody wants to take it from me or nobody can contest it. It might be a balance thing, it might be a player skill thing, it might be both. But as long as nobody wants the throne or can't possibly take it by force, the game is over. It's not like the game ends for the Rebels if they lose all of their troops overthrowing the capital so a new king is elected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jeod said: Really, we're all like third party with our own goals being to seize the throne. At this rate however it looks like either nobody wants to take it from me or nobody can contest it. It might be a balance thing, it might be a player skill thing, it might be both. But as long as nobody wants the throne or can't possibly take it by force, the game is over. I think in the end we all have the same goal, and that is preventing Ice Skrull from becoming king. In order to do so we have to defeat this rebellion, the one after and the one after that, while keeping enough combined troops to survive the Long Night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 And do it fast enough so WIN wont reach a certain threshold and trigger the invasion of the dead until we are ready. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, rubeci said: I think in the end we all have the same goal, and that is preventing Ice Skrull from becoming king. In order to do so we have to defeat this rebellion, the one after and the one after that, while keeping enough combined troops to survive the Long Night. Considering that actually requires overthrowing Jeod, are you certain of that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: Considering that actually requires overthrowing Jeod, are you certain of that? "In order to do so we have to defeat this rebellion, the one after and the one after that" What? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, rubeci said: "In order to do so we have to defeat this rebellion, the one after and the one after that" What? The only way to stop this rebellion is to overthrow the king, or eliminate basically everyone in fame so they can't be converted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Seriously, what part of doomed is everyone not getting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: The only way to stop this rebellion is to overthrow the king, or eliminate basically everyone in fame so they can't be converted. If that is whats necessary or do you believe any new king would not face rebellion again immediately? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, rubeci said: If that is whats necessary or do you believe any new king would not face rebellion again immediately? Doesn't really matter when I know how bad the current rebellion is going to be does it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: Doesn't really matter when I know how bad the current rebellion is going to be does it? I suppose not, nobody would believe it anyways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, rubeci said: I suppose not, nobody would believe it anyways. All I have to do to prove that point is to let the game play out... But by then for all we know you're actually the Night King. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 11 hours ago, TheIrishman said: I or my partner can convert others and you guys won't know who, and then - even if they or their convert died - they'd end up converting someone else, up until there is only the King left. >.> You were very thorough in your calculations, so tell me, why didn't you include Orange in all of this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Voe said: You were very thorough in your calculations, so tell me, why didn't you include Orange in all of this? The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that Orange specifically sent forces to defend Sunflower, just to make the rebels as weak as they can get for maximum conversions. But well, think what you like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Voe said: The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that Orange specifically sent forces to defend Sunflower, just to make the rebels as weak as they can get for maximum conversions. But well, think what you like. I sent troops to Sunflower thinking we'd actually win 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I sent troops to Sunflower thinking we'd actually win You're too shrewd for me, to ever fully trust you ##vote Irishman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Voe said: You're too shrewd for me, to ever fully trust you ##vote Irishman It's true, I could have sent 2500 more troops than I did. Maybe that would have made the difference 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: It's true, I could have sent 2500 more troops than I did. Maybe that would have made the difference You better tell me what is your plan for tackling the irishman conundrum. ##unvote I'll reserve my decisions for then it's more relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Voe said: You better tell me what is your plan for tackling the irishman conundrum. ##unvote I'll reserve my decisions for then it's more relevant. TBH I'm just going to keep voting rebels, but I've not done so yet cause I don't want to rain on everyone's sourpuss parade 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 At least Jeod has a reason to try and keep the throne, even if it'll most likely result in everyone being killed by the dead in the end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: At least Jeod has a reason to try and keep the throne, even if it'll most likely result in everyone being killed by the dead in the end. I have a very good reason for being loyalist: It buys me time to build my religion abilities and turtle. I've said this from the start 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 I also realised that with the force-based recruitment mechanic, my 20k mercs ability as king would only have ever been a hindrance. It sounds pretty dumb tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: I have a very good reason for being loyalist: It buys me time to build my religion abilities and turtle. I've said this from the start Tell me how that works out for you at the end.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: Tell me how that works out for you at the end.. It'll be just fine. Don't you worry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Orange, if what Irishman says is true, you'll be the only loyalist remaining at the end of the game. You'll never even have a chance to rebel until you and Jeod are the only two left. Then, remember Jeod's vote counts as 1.1, meaning he'll vote you down for inspection, and then invade you with 30k troops with a 3x player elimination multiplayer. You can't win this, no matter how hard you build up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Voe said: Orange, if what Irishman says is true, you'll be the only loyalist remaining at the end of the game. You'll never even have a chance to rebel until you and Jeod are the only two left. Then, remember Jeod's vote counts as 1.1, meaning he'll vote you down for inspection, and then invade you with 30k troops with a 3x player elimination multiplayer. You can't win this, no matter how hard you build up. As long as there's a rebel to vote it's fine. If there's no rebel to vote, I assume the mechanics change and we enter a new phase. Same for if WIN gets triggered first, which is likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Voe said: Orange, if what Irishman says is true, you'll be the only loyalist remaining at the end of the game. You'll never even have a chance to rebel until you and Jeod are the only two left. Then, remember Jeod's vote counts as 1.1, meaning he'll vote you down for inspection, and then invade you with 30k troops with a 3x player elimination multiplayer. You can't win this, no matter how hard you build up. Precisely, and had I known that this game had very little teamwork fundamentals like in base mafia games, I probably wouldn't have signed up. I despise winning through promoting myself at the expense of others when we're essentially under the same banner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: As long as there's a rebel to vote it's fine. If there's no rebel to vote, I assume the mechanics change and we enter a new phase. Same for if WIN gets triggered first, which is likely. When there is no rebel to vote, there starts a new rebellion. As of the winter mechanic, we're only half way there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Voe said: When there is no rebel to vote, there starts a new rebellion. As of the winter mechanic, we're only half way there. I'm pretty sure a rebellion of 1 wouldn't be allowed to happen. If it would, then I'll join in with the rest of you at being more outraged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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