VERTi60

+ CHRONOSTAPLERFAHRER EDITION!

I actually hoped you would in ded doc, that would break the confidence for allies and could possibly make them lose the game int he end without active role block to stop your kills. Then again you would be prime suspect next day.

It's no fun without voe though! But you can still always show some support by joining Nodlied's D1 vote on voe.

I forgot to mention that it also depends on the game type. Some of these traits could actually be useful. Now that I think about it, being distrustful, paranoid, overly confident to being blinded by godly-hood of justice will help you a lot in my Death Note mafia concept. Hence I think if you, Chaos and Jeod join you'll probably shine J/K anyone can ofc.

We can all agree on that. Question is would you still believe it? Probably there would be doubts still. E.g. you could say that scum is more confident to claim straight away like that compared to unsure townie.

Voe, ignore day 1 as it was total wreck, mostly due to Jeod which we all agree. Not sure if it was your intention to lynch me btw regardless of alignment but if it wasn't well blame yourself as well not trusting me However your finger pointing at Chopbam is still from your own POV, hence I called it what it is, a town claim distrust. It's not necessarily a bad thing not to trust a claim, but he was the only one claiming cop might I add (even though CK could step in). If you don't believe a cop on MYLO when he's not even counter claimed then the problem is you not the cop. Now, you could sometimes try to look on the situation from other people's perspective. Not everyone thinks like you and you can't expect everyone will behave the way you would. Chopbam had doubts, he wasn't ready to role claim straight up on D2, we all agree on that point too. But believe me it's hard to claim like that if somebody else covers his years yelling constantly that it can't be true because every town player must distrust everyone all the time, no town friends are allowed. Also I was also confused about them on day 1 too so don't take it like I'm accusing you that it's your fault only.

If anyone's interested, next attempt to play a chat game version on teamspeak ts.w3dhub.com will be next Friday 30th at 10 PM UTC/GMT

Oh yes, I did underestimate it. I thought I had a merely 25%-30% to kill myself during the night, well, it turns out it was 40%! (4/10 to hide behind hostile players, now including TP as well) And on top of that, even if I had guessed a townie player, there were two night kills per night (unless blocked or doc'ed, but block was antitown and mojo was killed on N1 so doesn't really count), which means another 33% chance of dying. If there would be a town misslynch instead of me the stakes would go even higher - another 40% and continuing by each passing day. A hider role where there is so many anti town killing is indeed, almost as useless. I agree it could be used for at least one night if played right to clear somebody, but certainly not after day 1 events, where I learned that more players wanted me dead regardless what I claimed or what my alignment was (basically CK and Cat5 admitted it outright D1). Even chopbam had hard time clearing Jeod even though nobody counter claimed the cop role (Chaos could do it but it wasn't necessary). I would probably blame voe for this by not having such a big distrust in claimed town roles, but then again if you check voe's meta he never trusts anyone anyway (which sometimes works, sometimes doesn't). I was thinking about hiding behind either one of the quiet ones, Fraydo or Alstar, or town appearing guys Cat5 and Nodlied. Eventually applying second filter where I would expect either cat5 or nodlied would be NK-ed first, but I wasn't sure about Fraydo and Alstar being town. And since nodlied was the only person least hostile on D1 so he might have lurk me into a trap eventually These are all the suggestions I gave you in dead doc, I like that you concluded these are worthy changes for the better good. Probably after holiday time, e.g. don't expect it within next two weeks at least. Also: Since we had too many Red Alert APB related games (I mean even the nomination kinda changed into "escape the red alert apb room" game), the next game will be different flavor theme mafia. And since you guys voted Death Note as second choice, prepare to be surprised by yet another unique style of mafia gaming. Certainly not just the doctor. Even if the doctor would live he had only 20% chance to stop a kill + there was a chance he could get role blocked by doing so. As I told you in scum docs there are also other variables to take into account, and it also includes some meta not just roles. Pack your brain though as you are about to see the greatest brain fuck in history of mafia games. Instead of relying on actions or RNG (yes there won't be any rng based kill in that game since it's not focused on direct combat actions), this time you will need to rely on your brain as the battle of wits will be your main weapon. Considering how easily 2 allies (voe+CK) won during APB Mafia II against town + TP, I agree that a 2 scum team could still work. However, it could easily end up similarly like last APB game where KY was picked up by TP leaving only one allied player in game. 3+1 was too much anti town, but 2+1 seems risky if anti town parties target each other. And here's another interesting balance suggestion: This sounds a bit better balance wise. Although if you look at it from the meta POV, it might have no impact on the outcome. Voe is still voe afterall In the end the game would end just like it did, with the exception that voe wouldn't target Mojoman Day 1, but I bet he would end up killing soviet cop instead (choppy on the block). However Mojoman would be killed by scum eventually anyway or just blocked. But at least the game could last a bit longer (ending on D5-D6 instead of D3). I disagree: No RNG lynches in case of two anti town factions with two night kills is a bad idea as it pre-determines the game outcome like it just did on D3. If there would be RNG lynch, the day would have played until the end and nothing would be decided. Instead of RNG the GM can also call a second vote, but that usually doesn't fix it since it usually ends up with second tie. Hence RNG is then the only possible way. (and besides it's a bit of a more exciting not knowing the outcome) In regards to communications, GM jumping in the middle of meta arguments can influence the game too much. But GC already admitted he'll try better approach. Also not giving info of getting role blocked also seems a bit off. Nah it's just that you had all day D2 to defend yourself but chose to come in less than 10 minutes before hammer to defend yourself and try to get votes off. Everyone thinks it's a scummy move but as I explained in dead doc the likelihood that scum panics like that when they have a scum doc opened and planning things ahead is really low. Leaning towards paniced town not attending is more logical. It doesn't excuse Fraydo of being inactive most of the game though Therefore I really suggest all future town players to be as much active as you can during the day as that is usually your only weapon to lurk out scum. You cannot expect to scum hunt on the premise of hiding in the background and praying that night actions will save you (in fact, usually they kill you).

What is this, A Tomb Raider Beyond?!

If soviets keep their ranger then there is no need for a mammy bus... I still think soviet chinook is all they need tbh.

I hope you guys are happy now And no I didn't fix the toilet before hammer, you guys have fun with your clogged shit(posts)

Before the hammer, let me sum up my thoughts: Category 5 Hurricane voted nobody, although he thinks I might be scum. His longest post is heavily biased towards me which I supsected he would do. I can't really read him since he's too biased but he has reservations putting money where his word is. So far neutral read. Chaos_Knight voted for Mojoman but also voted me for the same reason: revenge. CK hardly joins day 1 shenanigans like this and even more, puts flavor to his votes. I'm thinking there might be a bigger reason to his behavior he's not telling us. ChopBam voted for No Lynch which is totally out of place. While we can get a no lynch by a simple tie as well still voting a no lynch will get us nowhere. Before that he joined KY and Jeod bandwagon on me. I pushed him back just like CK but I still have a strange taste in my mouth when checking his reactions. FRAYDO voted nobody, he is too careful and doesn't provide more info. Just observing posts. Either he's a PR or a careful scum but he wants to play it safe, not attacking directly anyone nor to anger anyone. VERTi60 voted for Killing You. I might switch my vote to me. I have role-claimed soviet technician hider, terrible role with terrible lifespan. Also distraction & drama queen. Alstar voted for No Lynch. No read since new guy. Jeod voted nobody, as he was admittedly tunneling me to fish for my role. He now plays it safe as he doesn't want to be involved in the first town lynch or wants his hands safe. But I can't forget how he acted the first half of the D1. I think all the voe's observations on Jeod are good sums of this. Funny thing is that even though he keeps a journal of Day 1 (where I hope I'll be a big star being a prime example of "don't do" stuff), he didn't care much about the hammer, kept his vote until I basically role-claimed. Killing You voted for VERTi60, he doesn't let go of me. He doesn't like getting attacked by either sarcasm, criticism, or even helpful warnings. Even after my claim he's probably not going to change a vote. I'm surprised he doesn't focus on anyone else and just simply hangs on one person. Maybe lack of imagination or brain matter... You guys should re-read all his posts. For me it sounds like most of it is based from scum PoV rather than town's. No time to quote them but I did point it out myself before. Mojoman voted nobody, he made a joke vote on me and suddenly which later served as bandwagon for others. He made some illogical statements but that's nothing new. When you compared him to his role play during APB Mafia I or when he was converted the style is a bit different. Nodlied voted Voe, Nodlied was helpful most of the time. I'm getting feeling he and voe are either in team or just think the same. Leaning to the latter. Voe voted for VERTi60 but it seems he can't get his mind straight. First he was after Jeod wanting him dead but then switches to Mojo and lastly to me, flipping as he was also defending me (while calling me scummy too). Irrational.

Tempting to vote myself again since no lynch is not productive at all... But I have like 15% of clearing a town next day... We have 30 minutes guys, we won't get all the answers now. But we have to make up our minds on votes. So little votes casted. I wonder why are people shy with all that content laying around.

Not sure if that's a tie hence no lynch or I'll get lynched or rng will decide...

I really don't get your voting patterns voe. As if you vote people random... Unless... you are like... totally retarded squared ky. There. I called voe retarded. Town strikes back.

Better than lynching a doctor I guess

More than majority would be a hammer.

I am already aroused

Sorry but you have already broken my sarcasm detector when you took my sarcasm posts too seriously two days ago KY.

I like to play as voetroll for once

Are you totally retarded ky?

A doc would fail. Dont waste doc on me.