Chaos_Knight

I wouldn't really call "finding it a nuisance" tbh.

Well, L would have to die in a flavor text if what you are saying is true. Which I kinda doubt still but let's pretend for a moment that I believe you. The thing is, didn't Vert say that he'll make 2 of the main chars unplayable and only appear in flavor texts? Lo and behold, L and Light are in the flavor texts. Your whole situation smells kinda bad to me, not going to lie.

I am kinda used to it from Warframe forums tbh. You can just draw a selection within person's post and click on the appearing "Quote this" button. A bit awkward but works. But yes, it's VERY annoying compared to the old system. The only thing I like about the upgrade is that no more auto-merging posts to mess up vote time. (*cough* *cough*)

Voe, is your objective for the game to cause as many headaches among the players as possible? Because you are sure doing well in that regard. I wouldn't trust Jeod though. The way he completely dodged both investigation AND spy action heavily implies that he's something else completely. Remember iLikeToSlash from DS2? Yeah, never again. KY in meanwhile continues to drop curious lines, one after another. What a curious slip. Sure, a lot of us SUSPECT that might be the case, but there's evidence that it might not be the case like Vert straight up saying "Try again some other time maybe?". So, KY. Do you know something interesting the rest of us are unaware of maybe?

Alright then. So, thanks to the fact I had the highest trust (1 point yay), I was given access to L's equipment which in turn allowed me to spy on a player for the night. Which I did. The results are... quite interesting. Apparently Jeod is so good at hiding or whatever that even state of the art tracking systems have failed completely to locate him. For some reason PM also mentioned that this fact is extremely bothering to me. Idk, flavor or an actual hint. I am more and more inclined to believe that he might be a Shinigami and Vert kinda bent the lore a bit to make game work. KY, you seem to grasp at some straws as far as "Jeod is trying to get close to" case goes. Nodlied? Yes, we have a long history of cooperations in such games after all. But all Jeod did yesterday was to literally give me exactly 1 trust point. Was it to break the tie or whatnot is something he himself can probably tell. For the matter of fact Contradicting yourself much? Now this 180 is pretty curious. Either you know something "sketchy" or you are trying to derail things. ##vote Killing_You

That is a very curious development indeed. Question is that a one time thing (aka special power) or an actual trait (fit for a Shinigami)? I mean I'd still stand by my original opinion that having one among us is unlikely all lore and background story information considered. Then again, it's a Verti60 game. We had necromorphs communicating with people in DS RPGs after all. Now, about my trust action. I'll see what it would bring by the morning.

Voe, you keep on acting like you know something extremely bad about Jeod but for whatever reason refuse to tell anyone.

On a broad scale you are correct but I was talking mostly in the context of our current game. Like Kira would probably want all of the threats to him gone, police (L and co) would want to secure the Note and stop Kira, SomePoorBloke would just want to survive, etc. Remember D1 post? L narrowed down the list of suspects to 10 including some of the Task Force. That means that we also have "people from the street". Who are they and what are their agendas? That's the question. Also I would personally exclude the possibility of any of us being a Shini... eh, I'll just botch the pronunciation, let's call them Gods of Death. Why? Well, by the game's premise, we are a group of suspects, and I think L wouldn't include someone as a suspect on the list if they don't actually physically and officially exist to begin with.

As far as I know, this is more of a "forum game" and less of an actual "mafia" so change your lines of thought accordingly IMO. That being said, I think it's safe to assume that this time meta and trivia of the source material would actually matter. Death Note can probably be passed around at will, similar to DS2 Marker shard, except for this time I doubt there would be any clues as to who holds it. I also believe that we might be looking not at 1 Kira vs 9 Town but 10 people with agendas 1 of which is Kira. The key is to find out whose agendas are generally harmful and whose can co-exist and cooperate.

Ah, this brings me back. A complete clusterfuck D1 with people voting Voe, while Voe is not helping the case. As for now, for some old time's sake. ##propose trust Nodlied 20

I am most certainly in

Huh. Well, this ended earlier than expected. But congrats lads on the clean sweep of the outpost. Looks like we might be going home before Christmas after all! Anyway here's a few things I'd like to note: Props to GenCamo for: + Classic role names next to flavor ones. + No RNG lynches or any RNG for that matter. + Overall communications with players even if could be considered slightly leaky. Nowhere close to iLikeToLeak tho. Game suggestions: - I think game could be more balanced if Voe was a vig. - If not, town needed just a bit more PRs. Like tracker and/or watcher considering the amount of hostiles they had to face. Or maybe a town blocker. - Give more feedback to the players on their actions and actions taken upon them. Sure you won't be able to tell if someone tracked you, but it only makes sense to know if you had a splitting headache last night which prevented you from going out or not. Overall rolesheet suggestions: - Town Captain (Watcher) role is pretty much useless. They can see the type of action is taken upon their target but what good would it do for town? I think he should instead see who visited but not what they did. - Minelayer could be a CPR doctor/bodyguard hybrid who kills the very first person to visit their target at night or the target themselves if nobody visits them (that mine is still there after all). - Grenadier could be switched to a day 1 time use vig rather than night so he won't be inferior to Sniper.

FINALLY!!! Although, what good info did we get from Verti flipping? And in the end it only brought us closer to MYLO. That is a pretty unfortunate side-effect. There's a risk of it all flopping like a bunch of wet noodles if the lynched person behaves like Voe or Vert. Also normally games don't get MYLO on damn DAY 2.

Alright, let's get to it. That is literally what I said a bit earlier. Yet Jeod's faith seems to be pretty blind here. I wonder why? He also seems to be completely sure that Voe is a SK even though I don't exactly see it as confirmed. So with recent developments in mind (which tend to happen when I am either sleeping or going home from work damn it) let's do an overview of the people. Chaos_Knight - still me. Still writing this. ChopBam - Softclaimed and then hardclaimed cop. Plays along with this role in mind. Could be potential scum trying to win Jeod's trust or playing along with him. FRAYDO - Behaves in a pretty weird way after me pointing out how he could be a potential SK. Writes nonsense like calling No Lynch a "mislynch" in an apparent attempt to win some sympathy from Alstar. My main suspect as we speak. Went MIA. Alstar - A quiet one who, however, doesn't like being belitteled by his novice status. With the lack of meta knowledge about his behaviors I have to admit that he looks rather towny so far with his actions and ideas. Jeod - Behaves agressively, tries to compose possible scumteams while somehow specifically excluding Voe and ChopBam. And while I could agree on not including a hardclaimed cop there, his firm beliefs that Voe is SK are very odd to me. Do you happen to know something? Killing_You - Decided to support my vote on FRAYDO with somewhat different arguments. Was MIA for the most of the day. Blames alcohol. Nodlied - MIA also. Did something to Jeod N1. Didn't come back yet to tell what exactly was that. Voe - On an active crusade against Jeod and ChopBam. More on ChopBam and less on Jeod. Extremely agressive from the get go, seems to firmly believe his theory of ChopBam-Jeod-??? scumteam. Could be scum. Seems to be strangely friendly towards me specifically soon after calling me a person impossible to read. Hm. Also a bit of an info why NoLynch is considered bad: NoLynch on D1 is bad because it just gives scum a free night to kill while town would have less actual information (votes, reasonings, etc). NoLynch on MYLO is not as bad but it will most likely turn into LYLO the next day. And looking how our doc is dead... yeah.

I'm to think good friend Chaos is playing a really good scum. So your evidence of me being scum is the absence of a complete confirmation of me being town? Em... That's not how it works, ya know. Atm you are pretty far into the nonsense territory which you normally don't go to. That by itself is rather weird to me. UPD: Can some mod fix the quoting? I don't want to break the rules by editing my post.

I find it very interesting FRAYDO, that you decided to vote on me as I was the only person who pointed out you being strangely aware of the TP. Like you haven't addressed this little bit at all: But you sure tried to latch onto my vengeance votes. Sorry, but grabbing at the straws isn't going to help you. Not only that. Yea, poor NoLynch. We all love this guy, can't let them die! ##vote FRAYDO

If we had 2 scum + SK it would've been 2v1v5 atm. That's not a guaranteed MYLO which GM should announce since there are many factors which can change the game N2 in that scenario. If we had 2 scum + vig it's 2v6 atm and even with a mislynch and another clumpsy miss on vig NK we'd be 2v3 D3 so the game won't end. If there are 3 scum, however, it's 3v5 or even 3v1v4 which IS a much clearer MYLO worth announcing. That's how I see it at least.

Yay a wall of text. Now a bit of contribution of mine. MYLO is a very bad sign (obviously, duh) but it also gives us some information thankfully. Namely it's fairly obvious that for 8 players to be at MYLO we must have 3pl scum team. So with that in mind we have several possibilities: 1. 3pl scum + SK. Worst case but kinda implied by the meta of "DATA MISSING" role which apparently wasn't Vert. 1.a. Assuming ChopBam doesn't straight up lie about his soft cop claim, we could theoretically cross him and Jeod out from the suspect list. Then we are left with 6 people being potential scum: Chaos_Knight - aka me. ChopBam FRAYDO - as some people say, beware the quiet ones. He also seems to assume that the 2nd kill was done by a TP even though town has 2 PRs who can do that also. Alstar - another quiet one who also happened to unvote in the last minutes of D1 to ensure Vert's lynch. Cat5 ninja vote notwithstanding. Jeod Killing You - [TRIGGERED] on D1. Behaves erratically which is unfortunate. Vert seemed to be suspicious about him (then again, KY kept his vote on). Needs a chill pill, then maybe some more coherent posts. Nodlied - About as mildly inactive as ever. Which isn't helping, seriously. He did, however, claim that he had done something to Jeod on N1. Care to elaborate maybe? Voe - Haven't yet called town retarded. Color me surprised. Still plays rather aggressive which he... eh, always does. Doesn't seem to buy that ChopBam is a cop and Jeod is clear theory. See 1.b. 1.b. Jeod and ChopBam are a scum team. Jeod is once again leading a crusade and honestly this starts to ring some damn wrong bells for me. I am also paranoid IRL but still. It is also not the first time both Jeod and ChopBam could be pulling off some gamble to get the heat off themselves. However, the length of Wall'o'Text suggests either a lot of free time in a scum doc or actual town efforts to investigate. I tend to lean towards the latter tbh. That doesn't, however, clear off ChopBam for scum would obviously know who's NOT one of them. He also seemed pretty interested in the last night results from other people. Don't you think that if people had anything useful to report, they would've done so already? 1.c. Jeod is SK and could return Soviet result to the cop. It's a known practice to make SKs return "Town" result on investigation. However, FRAYDO really seems to be a more likely candidate here with his statements about TPs doing NKs. Jeod also claimed to not have received any PMs from N1 which Nodlied hinted he should've gotten. 2. 2nd NK was done by a Sniper/Grenadier, and now they are embarassed about the miss so they won't speak up. In that case... well yeah.

So, Jeod, got any notes you wanted to share? Cat5 never posted his but I'd love to see at least yours looking how we are about to damn die it seems. D1 had near 2h in hammer. D2 is MYLO. Seriously da hell is this carp? D:

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Sorry, this had to be done

I think I will masterfully combine my vengeance urges with some observations and ##vote Mojoman Suggestions to out medic just to prove if Vert is a hider or not don't sit well with me. Lack of actual substance in his posts also seems off, all under the excuse of being always mobile. He also got extremely defensive just after ONE vote on him.

And that will totally not out the doc to scum. Totally.

Hm, I was fairly sure that Hider/Survivor are normally neutrals.

Yay, finally a fine wall of text for me to read. First of all, yes, I had the exact same thoughts about that RNG in the last game. Like no jokes. Also admittedly I missed this bit: Which really DOES look... off to say the very least. The only TOWN role which can't be cop-tested is the paranoid gun owner who just shoots everyone. But it kinda seems unlikely. Especially combined with the surrender action which would be a pretty silly thing to do in general. So what's your actual game here, Vert, besides confusing the living cupcakes out of everyone? UPD: Well, I got ninja'd Eh, Vert, don't make me feel bad for wanting you dead. It's only game after all But you should also keep in mind that trusting your claim of a Hider is also a gambit. And a big one. You also basically admit being a non-town role which by itself would put you into crosshairs as a "safe" D1 lynch.

I have to admit I am getting a bad feeling with Jeod trying his best to lead the town yet again. Last 2 times he was scum and TP/Neutral respectably.