Killing_You

Not only does this make a lot of sense, but it explains a few things that have been bothering me. Specifically; the fact that neither Louis nor Cat5 had verifiable claims either night, the fact that both of them were the only ones to be unverifiable both nights, the fact that Orange got a different result from Louis' claim, and the fact that Cat5 has continuously hid behind Louis. The only other thing that bothers me at the moment is the fact that we don't know anything about ChopBam's role, but let's set that aside for now. Instead, let's look at the discrepancy with the N2 result. Personally, I don't think it's an accident that the reports are different (especially since, in my experience at least, failing to steal someone's items still counts as "visiting" them) and that Cat5 has chosen the same person to hide behind. I have a theory: Category 5 is hiding the investigation results. Pretty much everything falls into place. Them being a scum team would explain the first two, but him having to actively hide the results explains why Orange's result was not what Louis' report was, and it would explain why Cat5 has continuously "hid behind" her. Here's a copy/pasta from earlier. Should've done this sooner to keep it updated. (Don't mind my added commentary regarding night actions, it's about whether they were verified or not) D1 N1 D2 N2 Category 5 <No Vote> Hid behind Louis Received item from Louis Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect OrangeP47 Hid behind Louis Unverified, Mojo kill suspect ChopBam OrangeP47 Visited KY Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect No Lynch Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case FRAYDO FRAYDO Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied Verified, sudoku attempt implausible iLikeToSnipe Passed ticket to KY Verified, clear in Mojo case Jeod Spare Voe Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case iLikeToSnipe Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case Killing_You Spare Voe BUS DRIVER / Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case iLikeToSnipe BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Unverified, Mojo kill suspect Louis Spare Voe Passed item to Cat5 No action claim Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect <No Vote> Item thief/Jeod Unverified, Mojo kill suspect Nodlied Voe Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick Verified, clear in FRAYDO case <No Vote> Was put into a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Verified, clear in Mojo case OrangeP47 Voe Masonry w/ KY Used rolecop item on FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case iLikeToSnipe RNG Tracker/Louis Pass Profiler/Unknown Unverified, Mojo kill suspect Sunflower Voe Doctored FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case No Lynch Doctored Orange Unverified, Mojo kill suspect iLikeToSnipe Voe Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action Verified, clear in FRAYDO case No Lynch / Dead - Mojoman Jeod Visited Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case <No Vote> Dead [RESULT] Effectively No Lynch NK failed, FRAYDO was saved iLTS died town Mojoman died town

And ChopBam to the rescue as I'm rereading. I'll have my own commentary as well. Also disclaimer, just because you may be listed as a suspect on a certain night does not mean I am calling you scum. Conversely, just because you may be listed as clear does not mean I am calling you town. Alright, let's knock a couple of people off of the suspect list due to indisputable facts. Sunflower is in the clear for doctoring FRAYDO night one, and unless you want to make an argument that scum doctored their own kill to put one of their members in the clear (which is stupidly unlikely), I'd say she's confirmed town. FRAYDO was rolecopped, alignment and all. He's off the table. Also, he was the target N1. In the FRAYDO case, this leaves Cat5, ChopBam, and Louis. In the Mojo case, this leaves Cat5, myself, Louis, and Orange. Common suspects are Cat5 and Louis. I'm not sure if they're both scum, but it's one or the other. Item thieves are very rarely, if ever, town aligned. They're almost always either hostile third party or scum. And the one time I remember us having a town-aligned thief was July Crisis, and not only was that technically due to an item, I'm sure everyone who played in that game can tell you just how annoying it was (though that's arguably more due to the player than the role).

I... guess that would work? I didn't target you, though, and even if I did, I have no control over where you'd end up. Anyway, I'm gonna look back over who claimed what. I want to get a suspect list for N2.

Pencil me in as Voe. I disagree. There's been a bit too much hostility between the two. Plus, I'm getting a town read on Jeod. Why would I have roleblocked you when I don't have a blocking action? The discrepancy with Louis' action resolution bothers me, especially since she's still on the suspect list for FRAYDO's attempted murder. I don't think she's responsible for Mojo, but her being an item thief worries me. ##vote Louis

I don't like this. Information surrounding Louis is dubious at best. She was on the suspect list yesterday, and today isn't helping her case. I'll be AFK on and off over the weekend, but suspect Alpha for me is Louis. Also please examine Mojo's posts in my absence, and see if he said anything that would draw the kill to him.

It's a good reason, and frankly I see no need to hide it.

I gave ChopBam a ride on my forklift

Heh, seems like we both had the same idea.

Mojo? That's unexpected.

I agree. It looks on par with Age of Empires 2 HD Edition and especially Definitive Edition, both of which fall in the "Remaster" category.

Cross-referencing iLTS with the item action list from earlier finds common ground in Jeod and myself. I feel like the train was somewhat accidental. However, Chop's hesitation puzzles me. I feel like he knew what the result would be and didn't want to be caught up in the wave.

I noticed, just because I'm not typing doesn't mean I'm not there

You guys are fast :P ##vote iLikeToSnipe

Votes piling up on NoLynch, so I don't feel the need to keep up my vote anymore. However, I don't like how iLTS has been dancing around the question of reads, so he's high on my list. And if I cross-reference the list of possible suspects based on claimed actions with the list of people whose actions can be linked to their items and are therefore not clear, Louis shows up on both. I can't quite prove that those two are on a team, but there's no real evidence in the opposite direction, either. I'm putting my vote on Louis, but I'm open to switching to iLikeToSnipe. ##vote Louis

I feel that pain so hard.

I see. I'm not familiar with hiders, so I don't know how they usually work.

Wouldn't they hit Louis instead, then?

There we go, plus proof.

No. As mentioned earlier, Orange has a rolecop item that he used on FRAYDO last night. Lemme fetch the quote real quick.

##vote nolynch I don't really want to do a nolynch, but I don't want Orange in the majority. I'm leaning towards either iLTS or Louis for the lynch.

Chop, can you answer the following question:

Both of you are possible candidates as I outlined in my item action post, but I like how direct you're being. Conversely, iLikeToSnipe is being wishy-washy, as if he's trying to drum up suspicion, but doesn't want to commit to a case until he has backup. I don't like it.

I don't see why not. It may or may not be necessary, depending on how iLTS vs Jeod goes.

ChopBam, my curiosity remains. What did you find out about me?

That was Louis.