Games [Game Over - Town Victory] Pokemafia 2

[Jeod]

Keep in mind the votes and interactions. It appears a happy coincidence for now, but the votes could easily be pre-planned.

[TheIrishman]

6 hours ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

@TheIrishman, you seem to be thinking about the things I do to catch people early on in this game. Must be on your mind for some reason. Are you perhaps a bit concerned that I might catch you again?

Not really since there's nothing to catch.

Jeod, you were talking about an analysis between Investigations and Battles.

On 12/20/2018 at 10:12 AM, OrangeP47 said:

As another alternative, a location can be investigated.  The way to do this is very similar to how a normal battle nomination proceeds.  A normal trainer must still be nominated. However, instead of nominating a rocket, a location is instead selected to be investigated by the nominated trainer.  An investigation is not to be taken lightly, and the trainer engaging in one should be well prepared.  Starting an investigation for the first time will reveal some details.  If a trainer succeeds in the investigation, they will gain a benefit.  If the trainer fails, the investigation may be attempted again in the future.

Investigations may not occur on days designated as double battles.

So it sounds like we gain a little bit of info from the investigation regardless if we win or lose. Whether that info is actually helpful if we lose remains to be seen, but I'd venture a guess that it's mostly likely info preparing us for whatever kind of challenge it is, allowing the next player to have a better chance at succeeding.

Orange, just making sure I'm not assuming too much, it says starting an investigation for the first time will reveal some details, does that mean if we succeed in investigating only? Or are those details revealed even if we lose?

From how things are mentioned, the main difference between Investigations and Battles seem to be the rewards to the losses. No matter what in a battle, one or two people will benefit while one or two will not (although I suppose the people who lose also get items but they lose a coin too). As for the Investigation, only one player will benefit or be hurt. If the details revealed only pertain to the challenge itself, it's mostly a loss.

So battles can be better as there will always be some gain, except the gain could go to Rocket.

[Jeod]

I disagree. In an investigation, only one player directly benefits or is hurt. But when you take the team into account, we all benefit. The main issue is determining whether the nominated player is lying about their investigation findings, and debating that is in my opinion much less risky than a battle on the first day.

[OrangeP47]

Simply doing a investigation won't give you a "clue".  You have to win to get that. However, doing the investigation, win or lose, will reveal details about that investigation. It "pulls back the curtain a bit" so to speak.

[OrangeP47]

Also now's a good time to say for scheduling purposes, while hammer is 6 pm est, I will begin most actual battle/investigations at 6:30.  This will allow me to make dinner and then sit here for as long as is needed, rather than starting and then having to be interrupted.

[Jeod]

Shade, if I do end up battling you, you're going to get thrashed. Just saying.

[TheIrishman]

1 minute ago, Jeod said:

I disagree. In an investigation, only one player directly benefits or is hurt. But when you take the team into account, we all benefit. The main issue is determining whether the nominated player is lying about their investigation findings, and debating that is in my opinion much less risky than a battle on the first day.

1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said:

Simply doing a investigation won't give you a "clue".  You have to win to get that. However, doing the investigation, win or lose, will reveal details about that investigation. It "pulls back the curtain a bit" so to speak.

Is the clue public or private? And now we know for certain that we gain a clue if we win.

[OrangeP47]

1 minute ago, TheIrishman said:

Is the clue public or private? And now we know for certain that we gain a clue if we win.

It's a mix, so you'll have to wait and see.

[Shade939]

1 hour ago, Jeod said:

Shade, if I do end up battling you, you're going to get thrashed. Just saying.

Didn't you plan on using one of your weaker Pokemon in the first place in order to do the investigation?

[Jeod]

1 minute ago, Shade939 said:

Didn't you plan on using one of your weaker Pokemon in the first place in order to do the investigation?

Yes.

[Shade939]

Just now, Jeod said:

Yes.

And you think you can beat me with one of your weaker Pokemon?

[Jeod]

1 minute ago, Shade939 said:

And you think you can beat me with one of your weaker Pokemon?

Are you saying your intention is to battle me?

[Shade939]

Just now, Jeod said:

Are you saying your intention is to battle me?

Are you saying you intention is to battle today?

[Jeod]

I intend to investigate. But if I must battle you, then so be it. Ultimately the choice is yours unless others who haven't voted yet weigh in.

[Shade939]

Just now, Jeod said:

I intend to investigate. But if I must battle you, then so be it. Ultimately the choice is yours unless others who haven't voted yet weigh in.

The only way it could happen is if you keep your current vote....

[Jeod]

11 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

The only way it could happen is if you keep your current vote....

You mean change my nomination? Nope. I intend to investigate.

[Shade939]

Just now, Jeod said:

You mean change my nomination? Nope. I intend to investigate.

You mean you want to investigate today, fail the investigation, and force us to do the exact same day action on another day...

 

[Jeod]

I think you're making too many assumption regarding the difficulty of an investigation. We're not supposed to win just by battling. Regardless of a successful investigation, there's still a guarantee of information to be revealed.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

1 hour ago, Shade939 said:

You mean you want to investigate today, fail the investigation, and force us to do the exact same day action on another day...

 

That's just another reason to do an investigation now, because we aren't allowed to on all days.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Jeod, are the locations we can pick from all from the game? If so, is the one you picked the earliest you can reach?

[Shade939]

2 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

That's just another reason to do an investigation now, because we aren't allowed to on all days.

What happens if you fail an investigation?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

I dunno. That's part of what we need to find out. And we'll be asking that question no matter how many phases we wait to try it.

[Shade939]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I dunno. That's part of what we need to find out. And we'll be asking that question no matter how many phases we wait to try it.

This is a game isn't it? It has rules that everyone follows and are in place to make certain it's actually balanced to each side?

[Jeod]

14 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Jeod, are the locations we can pick from all from the game? If so, is the one you picked the earliest you can reach?

I didn't start at any specific location, did you?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Uh huh. But you don't know how it is balanced, or if indeed it is balanced at all.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Just now, Jeod said:

I didn't start at any specific location, did you?

I mean from the Gen2 games. There was a specific starting point, right?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

I never played Gen 2, so I have no idea.

[Jeod]

New Bark Town, yes, but since we didn't start at any specific location, I assume distance from said location isn't a factor. According to the plot, we're all scattered around Goldenrod City anyway.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Well, I figured the difficulty of the investigation target might depend on the general difficulty of that location in the Gen 2 game.

[Shade939]

4 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Uh huh. But you don't know how it is balanced, or if indeed it is balanced at all.

It depends on the presence of a NK mainly, which was completely lacking from the last game, but for the most part, I suspect that failing an investigation or a battle should result in the player's Pokemon fainting to keep those two options balanced out vs. each other.