Category 5 Hurricane Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:02 PM, OrangeP47 said: The math is sound, but what about the value of everyone using their ability? Though obviously if we manage to lynch scum we don't want them using their ability anyway. I say this as someone who is on the fence. I wouldn't mind lynching, but I don't really want to lynch Irish in particular. Expand This is why I call it worst case scenario. It assumes that we always lynch incorrectly and the NK always happens. Because it is CYOR, I know this is less likely than usual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:04 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said: Nevermind, I see I just put N2 twice in the second example but everything else is right. Expand Ok, that would explain it since it would end on N4 instead then barring any abilities coming into play... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:04 PM, Shade939 said: Isn't the usual point of the math in the first place to see if the game ends on a day or night phase? Expand Indeed, which is why I marked Day 4 as LYLO in example 1, and MYLO in example 2, because as long as the NKs succeed, D4 is the last chance in both examples. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:05 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said: This is why I call it worst case scenario. It assumes that we always lynch incorrectly and the NK always happens. Because it is CYOR, I know this is less likely than usual. Expand Fair enough. I had been typing more in regards to this, but that perspective pretty much satisfies the further points I was going to make. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Actually, game would end on Day 5 as opposed to Night 4 with a No Lynch after reviewing the error. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 ##unvote I'm kind of rusty when it comes to meta, so I don't really see anybody today as "trying too hard". Will need to reread posts and think about this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 ##Vote Mojoman If we're going to do this, I'd prefer to do it with an actual read. Mojoman is my only actual read, and while I do tend to unnecessarily agro on him, the neutral joke sits wrong with me. Even though he retracted it, it could still be a "soft" claim, or a claim of someone who needs to link up with a partner they've know they have but aren't in contact with or something. Not the best of reads (and it's D1), but I think it's a better vote than Irish which seems to just be "no reason". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Category 5 Hurricane Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 @Jeod I see it says that Mafia win condition depends on matching Town numbers. I want to get ahead of this now and clarify this before it becomes an issue. With 3rd Party and Neutrals probably in the game, then it's possible Mafia could meet this condition before having control of the vote. Does Mafia only need to match Town, or do they need to match the combined numbers of all alignments? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:17 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said: @Jeod I see it says that Mafia win condition depends on matching Town numbers. I want to get ahead of this now and clarify this before it becomes an issue. With 3rd Party and Neutrals probably in the game, then it's possible Mafia could meet this condition before having control of the vote. Does Mafia only need to match Town, or do they need to match the combined numbers of all alignments? Expand As usual they need to control the vote by outnumbering everyone, and even if they control the vote, if there's a day action that can kill a scum member, the game won't end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:19 PM, Jeod said: As usual they need to control the vote by outnumbering everyone, and even if they control the vote, if there's a day action that can kill a scum member, the game won't end. Expand Which to be fair, still means that Neutral and TP roles could ally with Mafia anyways for the same effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:16 PM, OrangeP47 said: ##Vote Mojoman If we're going to do this, I'd prefer to do it with an actual read. Mojoman is my only actual read, and while I do tend to unnecessarily agro on him, the neutral joke sits wrong with me. Even though he retracted it, it could still be a "soft" claim, or a claim of someone who needs to link up with a partner they've know they have but aren't in contact with or something. Not the best of reads (and it's D1), but I think it's a better vote than Irish which seems to just be "no reason". Expand I don't trust anyone except for town. Especially after a certain neutral in the Halloween CYOR... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:24 PM, iLikeToSnipe said: I don't trust anyone except for town. Especially after a certain neutral in the Halloween CYOR... Expand To be fair, I didn't *remain* neutral, I had my alignment change 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 I was Neutral in that game. Are you talking about me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:27 PM, OrangeP47 said: To be fair, I didn't *remain* neutral, I had my alignment change Expand Which there was a rather obvious hint in the form of your Scummy protective ability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:28 PM, Shade939 said: Which there was a rather obvious hint in the form of your Scummy protective ability. Expand A vampire's gotta do what a vampire's gotta do. Though before we get sidetracked going down memory lane, let me be clear that I'm not exactly disagreeing with this sentiment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:29 PM, OrangeP47 said: A vampire's gotta do what a vampire's gotta do. Though before we get sidetracked going down memory lane, let me be clear that I'm not exactly disagreeing with this sentiment Expand It did win you the game, since otherwise I was going to role block you that night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 @Mojoman So, are you neutral? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 8:51 PM, iLikeToSnipe said: @Mojoman So, are you neutral? Expand In all fairness, if he is then then only reason why we'd know is because he told us he is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Has anyone seen my "order of resolution" post anywhere? I remember making one, but I can't remember which game I posted it in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:02 PM, Shade939 said: In all fairness, if he is then then only reason why we'd know is because he told us he is. Expand People have done so before. And like I said, if unscrupulous people need to link up or something it might be a signal. On 4/7/2019 at 9:02 PM, Jeod said: Has anyone seen my "order of resolution" post anywhere? I remember making one, but I can't remember which game I posted it in. Expand I don't think it was this game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:02 PM, Jeod said: Has anyone seen my "order of resolution" post anywhere? I remember making one, but I can't remember which game I posted it in. Expand I don't recall seeing one, so I might have been really far back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted April 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Damn, it was a really detailed tree diagram of the order I process night actions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:04 PM, OrangeP47 said: People have done so before. And like I said, if unscrupulous people need to link up or something it might be a signal. I don't think it was this game. Expand I don't' think anyone telling us he's a Neutral Player day one views themselves as a threat needing to hide from Town. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:10 PM, Shade939 said: I don't' think anyone telling us he's a Neutral Player day one views themselves as a threat needing to hide from Town. Expand Maybe it's because I'm operating on very little sleep, but I don't quite get what you mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:12 PM, OrangeP47 said: Maybe it's because I'm operating on very little sleep, but I don't quite get what you mean. Expand Would you claim to be a Neutral player day one if you were worried about being lynched? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:14 PM, Shade939 said: Would you claim to be a Neutral player day one if you were worried about being lynched? Expand Yeah. If I was non-town and thought I could pull off a successful gambit I would. Claiming anything but town carries inherent risk of being lynched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:14 PM, Shade939 said: Would you claim to be a Neutral player day one if you were worried about being lynched? Expand So you're saying if this is some kind of sign, maybe Mojo has some kind of lynch protection or there's another factor which makes such a claim less risky? I guess the thought did occur me, but that's sort of immaterial to whether or not it is a sign. Just because he's got his bases covered, potentially, doesn't mean we can't be suspicious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:16 PM, OrangeP47 said: So you're saying if this is some kind of sign, maybe Mojo has some kind of lynch protection or there's another factor which makes such a claim less risky? I guess the thought did occur me, but that's sort of immaterial to whether or not it is a sign. Just because he's got his bases covered, potentially, doesn't mean we can't be suspicious. Expand I'd rather test a theoretical lynch protection of a neutral than no lynch. But let's see if we can get some more info from Mojo. ##vote Mojoman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 9:18 PM, iLikeToSnipe said: I'd rather test a theoretical lynch protection of a neutral than no lynch. But let's see if we can get some more info from Mojo. ##vote Mojoman Expand I mean, the other alternative is Irish, but that wagon appears motivated by personal animosity. Unfortunately, I don't regard that as alignment indicative of the people leading that charge. Brigitte and Louis, though we have very limited data on both, appear to be aggressive players and may very well press Irish as town. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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