Nodlied Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Hello people! It has been about a year since we've had a game of Hearts of Iron IV, which, at least to me, has been a bit too long. I know that a few of us want to have another go at the game and either have thought of some interesting ideas as how to win the match or have been playing for long enough not to make some of the rookie mistakes we've seen last time. What to expect Last year, the Axis won an overwhelming victory by the start of 1941 thanks to a mistake by the Comintern players, allowing the Axis to quickly snowball and overwhelm the Allies. This year we will once again be playing a historical scenario in which teams of players will take on each other to accomplish the objectives and take the title of 2019. When this game will take place is up to you guys. I propose a game somewhere during the week of 20-26th of October, but if you guys have other ideas, let me know. Additionally, what should we use for our chat? Teamspeak or Discord? Rules Of course there are some rules to prevent shenanigans from occuring and ruining the game as HoI IV still has some issues here and there. Reveal hidden contents Nations are bound to their historical path. This means that you are not allowed to deviate from the paths specified in the nations list located further below unless stated otherwise. This means, for example, that France cannot turn Communist and join the Comintern. Boosting ideologies or staging coups in other nations, unless done via focus tree, is not allowed. This is because this mechanic is horribly broken as it can easily break games when ideology boosts or coups result in a civil war. No manually justifying wargoals until at least two of the major factions are at war. Until then, the only ways to go to war are: 1. You have claims or cores on territory that you do not own. (example: Italian claims on Yugoslavia) You are allowed to justify war when you have these. 2. You have a national focus or decision to go to war. 3. You've gone to war by issuing a guarantee on another nation and honouring that. (example: the UK guarantees Poland before Danzig or War) 4. You got an event that allowed you to go to war. (example: the Panay incident that allows the US to go to war with Japan... at a hefty penalty) Players playing puppets have to listen to the orders of their overlord if said overlord cannot be persuaded otherwise. The Allies cannot deny Germany the Rhineland and either the Demand Sudetenland OR Demand Slovenia focusses. Victory Conditions Unlike last year, where each faction had to control 2 enemy capitals and Warsaw, this time each faction has a slightly different objective. Reveal hidden contents For the Allies, this means that: They need to control 2 of the following: Berlin, Rome, Moscow, Tokyo. Control Warsaw. For the Axis, this means that: They need to control 3 of the following: Paris, London, Washington, Moscow. Control Warsaw. For the Comintern, this means that: They need to control the following: Berlin, Rome, Paris, Warsaw. Additionally, a faction cannot win if one of their major's capitals is occupied. (example: The Axis, controlling Paris, London, Moscow and Warsaw, cannot win if Rome is occupied.) Playable nations As per last year, there will only be a certain amount of nations that you can play as. Nobody likes a world war 2 when everybody is playing the most irrelevant of minors. Inside each of the spoilers is a list of playable majors and minors in each specific faction. Some nations might have mutually exclusive focus tree paths, in which case, the important ones will be highlighted in the spoiler, with the green option representing the choice you have to go and the red option the one you are not allowed to go. Allies The Allies are represented by the many democracies in the world as well as the unfortunate souls that got invaded by the Axis during the war. They are led by the United Kingdom at the start of the game. The playable nations are the 3 majors, the commonwealth as well as nations that can fight on after capitulation. Reveal hidden contents Majors: United Kingdom Paths: Reïnforce the Empire <---> Revisit Colonial Policy Steady as she goes <---> A change in course Additional rules: None France Paths: Support the status quo <---> Revise Versailles Go with Britain <---> Little Entente Additional rules: A French player is not allowed to jump ship to Vichy France. United States of America Paths: Continue the new deal <---> Reestablish the gold standard Additional rules: The United States is not allowed to progress focusses beyond the ''Reach out for the Ware Group''. The United States is not allowed to pick the following focusses: ''Desegregate the armed forces'' and ''Union representation act''. Minors: Canada Paths: Strengthen the Commonwealth ties <---> Patriation Additional rules: None British Raj Paths: Indian National Congress <---> Swaraj Additional rules: None South Africa Paths: Support the policy of appeasement <---> Abandon Westminister Additional rules: None Australia Paths: Support the policy of appeasement <---> Never another Gallipoli Additional rules: None New Zealand Paths: Support the policy of appeasement <---> Never another Gallipoli Additional rules: None Netherlands Paths: Cave to the British <---> Maintain Trade Neutrality <---> Cave to the Germans Go with Britain <---> Lead the minor democracies Additional rules: None Axis The Axis are represented by the Axis and the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Even though these factions are seperate ingame, they're counted as one in this list, as they have the same goals. Beyond the 3 majors, the Axis have a few minor members who either willingly joined, or were forced to join due to outside pressure from either the Axis or the great Communist Thread beyond... Reveal hidden contents Majors: German Reich Paths: Rhineland <---> Oppose Hitler Danzig or War <---> Danzig for Slovakia War with the USSR <---> Alliance with the USSR Additional rules: None Italy Paths: Pact of Steel <---> Italy First Additional rules: None Japan Paths: Purge the Kodoha faction <---> Support the Kodoha faction <---> Strengthen Civilian Government <--> The Unthinkable option Additional rules: Japan is not allowed to go to war with the Soviet Union unless Stalingrad has fallen. Minors: Manchukuo Paths: Obedience <---> Assertiveness Additional rules: Manchukuo is not allowed to go to war with the Soviet Union unless Stalingrad has fallen. Hungary Paths: Strengthen Fascists <---> Councill of People's Commissars OR Elect a Fascist King <---> Elect a Democratic King <---> Invite the Habsburg Prince Trade deal with Germany <---> Renew the Rome protocols Additional rules: None Romania Paths: Preserve Greater Romania <---> Balkan Dominance Additional rules: Romania has to join the Axis, it doesn't matter what government it has appointed. Romania is allowed to either go Fascist or stay Non-Aligned. Comintern The Comintern is by far the smallest faction in terms of players. They're the Communists centered around Eurasia and have the biggest army in the world at the start of the game. It is represented by the Soviet Union and its few fellow minor nations. Reveal hidden contents Majors: Soviet Union Paths: The Great Purge <---> Permanent Revolutionary Additional rules: The Soviet Union has to do the Great Purge before 1938. The Soviet Union is not allowed to go to war with Japan and the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity sphere unless the European Axis have fallen. The Soviet Union can be Co-Opped by two players. Minors: None Wildcards There are a total of three wildcards in the game. Each of these has a seperate path it can go down, although all of them come with their own limitations. Reveal hidden contents Spain Paths: Collectivist Ethos <---> Liberty Ethos Additional rules: A Spanish Player is supposed to go with Nationalist Spain and, if they win the civil war, join the Axis no ealier than the German invasion of the Soviet Union. If the Nationalist Spain player somehow loses the civil war, then the player has to select Republican Spain after the civil war and join the Comintern. China Paths: None Additional rules: A Chinese player is allowed to go down whatever path he or she pleases. However, China cannot join any of the three major factions unless it has won against Japan. China is only recommended for those who have to leave the game earlier than others. Communist China Paths: None Additional rules: A Communist China player is allowed to go down whatever path he or she pleases. However, Communist China can only join the Chinese United front or the Comintern. Sign-ups So how do you sign up? Well, that's easy! Tell me in this thread if you want to join together with your preferred date and nation. If two or more players sign up as the same major, then the more experienced player will get priority to playing that major. The only exception is the Soviet Union, which can be played by two players. It is important to note that we prefer having the Majors filled before the minors. That said, you can always sign up as a minor, even though you might be asked to play a major if we have a lack of players. Allies - Fraydo (France) Axis - Cominterm - Wildcards - That said, all rules and such are open for debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Ready as always 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liten Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 >Buy musket for home defense >Finally one night I hear a crash >Dawn my powdered wig and petticoat, musket is ready to fire >My home surround sound is also primed and ready to play "The Royal Hussars" >Hit play >"TALLEY HO LADS!" >Run downstairs and into my European Sphere >Two Axis Majors are carrying away Czechoslovakia >Put a basketball sized hole in Italy >Germany attempts to drop Czechoslovakia and run >"AFFIX BAYONETS GENTLEMEN" >Charge after him. >Jam my bayonet into his anus as he tries to climb back through the Sudetenland >Call America >Have tea ready for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 I have a feeling I know who the first Britain candidate is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 So are we putting all the good players on one faction and the other gets curbstomped or what 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 11:13 PM, FRAYDO said: So are we putting all the good players on one faction and the other gets curbstomped or what Expand There's a reason I haven't picked a nation yet. Although I'm assuming Liten goes for the UK, judging by his post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Can I bring back the Mexican Empire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 11:16 PM, FRAYDO said: Can I bring back the Mexican Empire Expand Look at the list of nations and see if you can find Mexico. Mexico would be fine for a ''whatever a-historical shit you want'' game, which could be the next one. This one is supposed to be semi-historical though. And in that case, Mexico didn't do shit, nor is its focus tree clear enough to present a good and clear path. That said, if people want to know some tips regarding some nations, let me know, I'll try my best to help you out and answer questions regarding strategies and counters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 3:22 PM, Nodlied said: Wildcards There are a total of four wildcards in the game. Each of these has a seperate path it can go down, although all of them come with their own limitations. Expand On 10/11/2019 at 3:22 PM, Nodlied said: Expand Found it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 France 22 October, 24 October, 26 October 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted October 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 11:35 PM, FRAYDO said: France Expand Noted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voe Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 I see no problem including mexico as an available to play minor. It's a pretty fun nation, especially with human US and UK not fricking you up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 I suppose we would need more players before allowing Mexico as a playable Minor/Wildcard nation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted October 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Welp, it seems that we haven't reached any sort of public. I'll leave the thread up for a while to delay the game until a later date. That said, @FRAYDO, you still up for a game tonight? Perhaps we can cook up a way to get this out there while we're at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 I would play. I'll have to get back to you on when I would be available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/19/2019 at 10:38 AM, Nodlied said: I'll leave the thread up for a while to delay the game until a later date. That said, @FRAYDO, you still up for a game tonight? Perhaps we can cook up a way to get this out there while we're at it. Expand Sorry that I wasn't around this weekend! Had the weekend shift. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 I really need to look at the other forums more D:. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 I won't be available for this through at least November 3rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 9:33 PM, Retaliation said: I really need to look at the other forums more D:. Expand Last time, I put it in the forum games subforum and got the question to move it to off-topic to reach more people. Guess that didn't work out as well. On 10/25/2019 at 7:39 AM, Category 5 Hurricane said: I won't be available for this through at least November 3rd. Expand Chances are that I won't be either. We'll have to plan this well in advance. Currently I believe that we have at least 6 people willing to join if I'm correct. (You, Retaliation, Fraydo, Liten, Voe, and Myself. Although if Pluk joins, we'll have 7. Just a few more and we'll have a grand old time.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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