Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 @JeodI have a hard-to-read spreadsheet and the old docs that were associated for the game. What kind of info were you looking for, exactly? It has to be said that if/when I run another Ghost Trick game, it would be using a similar setup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Retaliation said: I think the actual argument revolves around if you think pushing inactives is or isn't something town cat5 would do rather than stats. As I said earlier, I think it is something I would do. And Orange used stats to counter my argument, which is where I think he went wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: @JeodI have a hard-to-read spreadsheet and the old docs that were associated for the game. What kind of info were you looking for, exactly? It has to be said that if/when I run another Ghost Trick game, it would be using a similar setup. As much as you're willing to send me. Yours was a ell-done location-based game and I'd like some inspiration from it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: I mean in the wider mafia community chopping the inactives is generally seen as a newbie play and I was regarding Cat 5 as a veteran. A word of wisdom from playing 40k is that local metas can diverge dramatically from more global ones. I remember it being really common for scum to just play inactive and watch town tear itself apart here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: As I said earlier, I think it is something I would do. And Orange used stats to counter my argument, which is where I think he went wrong. It's not even stats really but the concept of Rand- Rand= and Rand+. Killing Coolrock would be Rand= because it's literally random when he's inactive if he's the mafia. Ideally you always want to do Rand+ actions, ie, actions that have a greater than Random chance of hitting scum. Think of it as a zero-sum game. You can argue we had little to go on, but we did not have NOTHING to go on, and we still had time to try. It is *always* possible to do a Rand+ action. Me starting a fight with you is a Rand+ action even if neither of us die, which is why I said I was happy with the outcome even though you didn't die after I shot you, because I got everyone to talk about something productive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Retaliation said: A word of wisdom from playing 40k is that local metas can diverge dramatically from more global ones. I remember it being really common for scum to just play inactive and watch town tear itself apart here. Here's the thing, I'm trying to improve you people 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Here's the thing, I'm trying to improve you people You're trying to improve us while referencing MU as if it's the basis of all mafia standards, when I think they play like crap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Here's the thing, I'm trying to improve you people The terminally active "good" players weren't the ones who did that though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: You're trying to improve us while referencing MU as if it's the basis of all mafia standards, when I think they play like crap. This is pulled from the wider community, MU is just where I'm at when I hear it. It's discussion that occurs during champs when people from all communities are around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Retaliation said: The terminally active "good" players weren't the ones who did that though! I mean to be fair and also regarding the previous comment, MU will die on the hill of "people post less as scum" so if I ever rand scum there I have a free pass. It's how I was universally townread during last champs. Unfortunately, the last scum alive was like literally a clone of me and had me pocketed so he slipped through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 MU spends too much time over generalizing and playing based on math rather than deduction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 I dunno, there is a really cool setup that Sunflower played over there that'd be pretty simple to bring over here that's 100% deduction. No mafia, only cult. Cult leader invulnerable, converts 1 person per night, but if a cultist gets lynched the entire cult dies and loses. No special powers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 hours ago, OrangeP47 said: I dunno, there is a really cool setup that Sunflower played over there that'd be pretty simple to bring over here that's 100% deduction. No mafia, only cult. Cult leader invulnerable, converts 1 person per night, but if a cultist gets lynched the entire cult dies and loses. No special powers. That sounds pretty fun tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 I still think Orange is scum though. Can we please retcon this so he was? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, Mojoman said: That sounds pretty fun tbh. To me it really just sounds like you basically just RNG the day lynch until you get lucky enough to hit a cultist and then that's game. It might even give you better odds than trying to actually play the meta game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Congratulations, Shade, you have literally repeated the MU strategy word for word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 No, what you do is look for anyone that suddenly changes positions after a day. Look for the people that have "swapped teams". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon_Kat Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Sorry i did nothinh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Anon_Kat said: Sorry i did nothinh As the N1 kill you were never given a chance to do something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 hours ago, OrangeP47 said: No, what you do is look for anyone that suddenly changes positions after a day. Look for the people that have "swapped teams". Well, why didn't you vote them up yesterday then you cultist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Shade939 said: Well, why didn't you vote them up yesterday then you cultist? I mean I did spend my second night post telling Jeod not to shoot you, what more do you want 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Also a fun point about statistics, but what's the chance Category 5 was a Mafia member this game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: I mean I did spend my second night post telling Jeod not to shoot you, what more do you want FRAYDO to stab someone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: Also a fun point about statistics, but what's the chance Category 5 was a Mafia member this game? Depending on who you ask, 22.2%, >22.2%, or 100% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: I mean I did spend my second night post telling Jeod not to shoot you, what more do you want Also, for you to not lynch Mojoman over such obviously flawed reaaoning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 FRAYDO usually pushed one damage through to cat5 the couple of times I played that out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Shade939 said: Also, for you to not lynch Mojoman over such obviously flawed reaaoning. I mean "We'll kill one, then the other" IS a scum tell. It's just Mojo does it as town apparently every game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I mean "We'll kill one, then the other" IS a scum tell. It's just Mojo does it as town apparently every game Yes, let's kill the player you shot to figure out why you shot him. That's pretty logical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Shade939 said: Yes, let's kill the player you shot to figure out why you shot him. That's pretty logical. You're ignoring the other half of that statement. And the fact he was NOT joking in his vote on me, and said as such. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Retaliation said: FRAYDO usually pushed one damage through to cat5 the couple of times I played that out. Still can't access the game doc by the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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