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1 minute ago, Louis said:

Because he's only on later when I'm asleep, so I don't have the time to answer him and I'm not interested in him my top suspects are KY and Jeod.

Interesting. Care to explain your position?

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Just now, Jeod said:

I suppose KY can also answer that question.

My PM doesn't specify, but based on the info Orange got from copping FRAYDO, I'm his "heir," so to speak. I just need to stay alive and hold the ticket for him to win, in the event that he dies.

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49 minutes ago, Jeod said:

I was thinking about an angle where Cat5 and Louis are a scumteam. When Cat5 claimed Hider and said Louis wouldn't recognize it, Louis didn't ask more about the role. In combination with inability to verify, I think one if not both of them are scum.

Not only does this make a lot of sense, but it explains a few things that have been bothering me. Specifically; the fact that neither Louis nor Cat5 had verifiable claims either night, the fact that both of them were the only ones to be unverifiable both nights, the fact that Orange got a different result from Louis' claim, and the fact that Cat5 has continuously hid behind Louis. The only other thing that bothers me at the moment is the fact that we don't know anything about ChopBam's role, but let's set that aside for now.

Instead, let's look at the discrepancy with the N2 result. Personally, I don't think it's an accident that the reports are different (especially since, in my experience at least, failing to steal someone's items still counts as "visiting" them) and that Cat5 has chosen the same person to hide behind. I have a theory: Category 5 is hiding the investigation results. Pretty much everything falls into place. Them being a scum team would explain the first two, but him having to actively hide the results explains why Orange's result was not what Louis' report was, and it would explain why Cat5 has continuously "hid behind" her.

50 minutes ago, Jeod said:

Do we have a compiling of N2 actions yet? What if Mojoman wasn't the intended kill target?

Here's a copy/pasta from earlier. Should've done this sooner to keep it updated. (Don't mind my added commentary regarding night actions, it's about whether they were verified or not)

	D1	N1	D2	N2
Category 5	<No Vote>	Hid behind Louis Received item from Louis Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	OrangeP47	Hid behind Louis Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
ChopBam	OrangeP47	Visited KY Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	No Lynch	Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
FRAYDO	FRAYDO	Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied Verified, sudoku attempt implausible	iLikeToSnipe	Passed ticket to KY Verified, clear in Mojo case
Jeod	Spare Voe	Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
Killing_You	Spare Voe	BUS DRIVER / Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Louis	Spare Voe	Passed item to Cat5 No action claim Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	<No Vote>	Item thief/Jeod Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Nodlied	Voe	Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Was put into a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Verified, clear in Mojo case
OrangeP47	Voe	Masonry w/ KY Used rolecop item on FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	RNG Tracker/Louis Pass Profiler/Unknown Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Sunflower	Voe	Doctored FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch	Doctored Orange Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
iLikeToSnipe	Voe	Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch / Dead	-
Mojoman	Jeod	Visited Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Dead
[RESULT]	Effectively No Lynch	NK failed, FRAYDO was saved	iLTS died town	Mojoman died town

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And ChopBam to the rescue as I'm rereading. I'll have my own commentary as well. Also disclaimer, just because you may be listed as a suspect on a certain night does not mean I am calling you scum. Conversely, just because you may be listed as clear does not mean I am calling you town.

17 hours ago, ChopBam said:

 

	D1	N1	D2	N2
Category 5	<No Vote>	Hid behind Louis Received item from Louis Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	OrangeP47	Hid behind Louis Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
ChopBam	OrangeP47	Visited KY Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	No Lynch	Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
FRAYDO	FRAYDO	Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied Verified, sudoku attempt implausible	iLikeToSnipe	Passed ticked to KY Verified, clear in Mojo case
Jeod	Spare Voe	Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
Killing_You	Spare Voe	BUS DRIVER / Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Louis	Spare Voe	Passed item to Cat5 No action claim Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	<No Vote>	Item thief/Jeod Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Nodlied	Voe	Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Was put into a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Verified, clear in Mojo case
OrangeP47	Voe	Masonry w/ KY Used rolecop item on FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	RNG Tracker/Louis Pass Profiler/Unknown Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Sunflower	Voe	Doctored FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch	Doctored Orange Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
iLikeToSnipe	Voe	Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch / Dead	-
Mojoman	Jeod	Visited Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Dead
[RESULT]	Effectively No Lynch	NK failed, FRAYDO was saved	iLTS died town	Mojoman died town

 

Alright, let's knock a couple of people off of the suspect list due to indisputable facts.

Sunflower is in the clear for doctoring FRAYDO night one, and unless you want to make an argument that scum doctored their own kill to put one of their members in the clear (which is stupidly unlikely), I'd say she's confirmed town. FRAYDO was rolecopped, alignment and all. He's off the table. Also, he was the target N1.

In the FRAYDO case, this leaves Cat5, ChopBam, and Louis. In the Mojo case, this leaves Cat5, myself, Louis, and Orange. Common suspects are Cat5 and Louis. I'm not sure if they're both scum, but it's one or the other.

7 minutes ago, Louis said:

Edit: This is the first time I actually have an ability I can use to my advantage. So how is being an item thief worrying you? I take stuff I don't kill people. How am I a threat to you?

Item thieves are very rarely, if ever, town aligned. They're almost always either hostile third party or scum. And the one time I remember us having a town-aligned thief was July Crisis, and not only was that technically due to an item, I'm sure everyone who played in that game can tell you just how annoying it was (though that's arguably more due to the player than the role).

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Just now, Jeod said:

Redirecting me to a dead target.

I... guess that would work? I didn't target you, though, and even if I did, I have no control over where you'd end up.

Anyway, I'm gonna look back over who claimed what. I want to get a suspect list for N2.

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13 hours ago, Jeod said:

Pencil me in as Voe.  

12 hours ago, Sunflower said:

If she is scum, Jeod is almost definitely her partner.

I disagree. There's been a bit too much hostility between the two. Plus, I'm getting a town read on Jeod.

12 hours ago, Jeod said:

Very true. However I think Mojo passed the pumpkin. KY could also have roleblocked me. See, thing is, we have multiple roleblocking abilities and items, which need to be balanced out by an item that can allow two nightkills if given to scum, and an item that may curse the holder if there are no consecutive kills.

Do I know too much?

Why would I have roleblocked you when I don't have a blocking action? 

The discrepancy with Louis' action resolution bothers me, especially since she's still on the suspect list for FRAYDO's attempted murder. I don't think she's responsible for Mojo, but her being an item thief worries me.

##vote Louis

 

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I don't like this. Information surrounding Louis is dubious at best. She was on the suspect list yesterday, and today isn't helping her case.

I'll be AFK on and off over the weekend, but suspect Alpha for me is Louis. Also please examine Mojo's posts in my absence, and see if he said anything that would draw the kill to him.

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3 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

I will not confirm or deny to preserve the WIFOM shield, but I've told KY the reason and he can confirm if I have a good reason or not, at the very least. I'm basically waiting for Louis to speak first though, and then I'll elaborate more, so I'm not gonna keep it undercover forever.

It's a good reason, and frankly I see no need to hide it.

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4 minutes ago, Nodlied said:

õ_o

Elaborate.

I gave ChopBam a ride on my forklift  

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3 minutes ago, Nodlied said:

You were busy being on the other side of a portrait.

Heh, seems like we both had the same idea.

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Mojo? That's unexpected.

[Command & Conquer: Remastered Gameplay Teaser]

17 hours ago, Bayonetta said:

People i've noticed have been shitting on it, and asking questions like "Why isn't it 3D if it's a remaster?" etc 

People forget it's a remaster, not a remake.A remaster is like the PS3 version of Shadow of Colossus same style of graphics, but updated to a higher resolution, usually new UI too sometimes maybe a few bug fixes and tweaks.. a Remake Version would be like the PS4 version, built brand new engine, and all new assets. Dark Souls Remastered this into the category of also being a remaster not a remake. A remake would be if the made it from scratch but using the engine of Dark Souls III.

I Dunno what people were expecting, this game so far is exactly how i pictured it would look.

 

 

 

I agree. It looks on par with Age of Empires 2 HD Edition and especially Definitive Edition, both of which fall in the "Remaster" category.

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Cross-referencing iLTS with the item action list from earlier finds common ground in Jeod and myself. I feel like the train was somewhat accidental.

However, Chop's hesitation puzzles me. I feel like he knew what the result would be and didn't want to be caught up in the wave.

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Just now, OrangeP47 said:

BTW KY I'm back in the doc

I noticed, just because I'm not typing doesn't mean I'm not there  

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You guys are fast :P

##vote iLikeToSnipe

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Votes piling up on NoLynch, so I don't feel the need to keep up my vote anymore. However, I don't like how iLTS has been dancing around the question of reads, so he's high on my list. And if I cross-reference the list of possible suspects based on claimed actions with the list of people whose actions can be linked to their items and are therefore not clear, Louis shows up on both. I can't quite prove that those two are on a team, but there's no real evidence in the opposite direction, either. I'm putting my vote on Louis, but I'm open to switching to iLikeToSnipe.

##vote Louis

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1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said:

Dammit hit enter somehow and it posted.

I feel that pain so hard. 

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1 minute ago, Jeod said:

Nope, if they targeted Cat5 they'd have missed since he hid behind Louis. If they killed Louis then Cat5 would have died with her.

I see. I'm not familiar with hiders, so I don't know how they usually work.

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Just now, Jeod said:

That assumes FRAYDO was actually the target. Still unknown, but more likely than scum trying to hit Cat5 who was hiding.

Wouldn't they hit Louis instead, then?

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6 hours ago, OrangeP47 said:

I suppose you're right, and if I want a leg to stand on, I need to be forthcoming. It was an item. I have a "party profiler" that only works one time for each person (have to pass it next night... well.... I could just hold onto it and render it useless...)

With an item thief you can see why I'd be hesitant to share that though, but maybe pass works first, and I feel as if FRAYDO being known is more important.  Sorry for not speaking up last night but I was busy and under the weather again.

 

6 hours ago, OrangeP47 said:

I mean, for added info, FRAYDO is Willy Wonka.

 

5 hours ago, FRAYDO said:

WELL NOW. YOU GOT ME. THANKS, PAL.

There we go, plus proof.

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Just now, ChopBam said:

I must have missed something. Can you explain? He's in a masonry with you atm, so was the "rolecop" action done through that?

No. As mentioned earlier, Orange has a rolecop item that he used on FRAYDO last night. Lemme fetch the quote real quick.

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##vote nolynch

I don't really want to do a nolynch, but I don't want Orange in the majority. I'm leaning towards either iLTS or Louis for the lynch.

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1 minute ago, ChopBam said:

Hey I'm cool with lynching Orange today. He's been wishy washy, here and there. Didn't respond directly to iLTS's bluff initially.

##vote OrangeP47

Chop, can you answer the following question:

1 hour ago, Killing_You said:

Why would scum rolecop the person that they're trying to kill? That makes no sense.

 

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1 minute ago, Jeod said:

Do you have any thoughts on the matter? As I said to Nodlied in the masonry, I scumread him but I don't feel enough info to really push to lynch him over a nolynch. My beef with him the past few posts is poking-with-a-stick.

Both of you are possible candidates as I outlined in my item action post, but I like how direct you're being. Conversely, iLikeToSnipe is being wishy-washy, as if he's trying to drum up suspicion, but doesn't want to commit to a case until he has backup. I don't like it.

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Just now, Sunflower said:

Question: Are we allowed to nolynch two times in a row? I know technically we voted for Voe on D1, but tbh I thought that was just a fun way of doing nolynch.

I don't see why not. It may or may not be necessary, depending on how iLTS vs Jeod goes.