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24 minutes ago, FRAYDO said:

I say! Welcoming Killing_You into my factory seems to have been a good move! It looks to be quite a solid case, and I will allow him the honors to present it.

Thank you very much, Mr. Wonka.

1 hour ago, Sunflower said:

I'm having a hard time figuring out who Cat 5's partner would be if he were scum. Seems like most everyone here has wanted him lynched today or a different day. Then again I guess with the claims he's chosen to make, there's not much to defend him with.

Well, I believe I know who it could be. 

And now, without further ado...

THE CASE OF THE PEOPLE v. CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE & ORANGEP47

PART I: PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

So, let's start with where we stand as far as the players go. I estimate that we have 3 town, 2 neutral, and 2 scum. With FRAYDO and I as the neutrals, that leaves Nodlied, Sunflower, ChopBam, Orange, and Cat5.

-Sunflower could be ruled out immediately for doctoring FRAYDO and herself.

-ChopBam's cop claim isn't one that I find myself doubting on any level. If he was a false cop, he could've easily claimed that Nodlied was scum for a swift and easy mislynch. Then, just nightkill one of the two remaining townies, and bam! Scum win. Furthermore, he has been rather cleverly softclaiming this whole game without it looking like him trying to set up a false claim in advance. I think we can clear him easily.

-Nodlied, among other things (like being very helpful), was copped Town.

That narrows us down to Cat5 and Orange. Convenient, eh? Well, let me see if we can back this idea up.

PART II: THE EVIDENCE

Let's start by reminding everyone that Orange has been a scum mason in the past. In that instance, he masoned with me to gain my trust, and used that to carry himself to the end.

On 10/30/2019 at 12:25 PM, OrangeP47 said:

Wouldn't I like get some instructions as to what happened or if I'm gimmicked though?  I'm not just gonna take your word for it.

Regardless, I'm always scum, especially when I'm not

This was directly after iLikeToSnipe cast a fake action on Orange, one that implied that Orange would receive consequences if he lied. So, he starts off by dancing around the classic "r u scum" question and playing it off as a joke.

On 10/30/2019 at 12:31 PM, OrangeP47 said:

No I'm a mason and a pretty weak investigative role that gets somewhat stronger as the game goes on, that's another reason to use the masonry first.

And then he gives a direct answer. Notice that it has to do with his role, not his alignment.

On 10/30/2019 at 3:21 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I don't want to reveal what my action is yet, but I will say that my target was Louis. Something weird happened, though. Something that should have been impossible.

Also, i haven't had much time to post, but I've been watching the thread off an on while my dad is here helping me work on the house. I don't like Orange's reactions at all. And it seems there are a lot of misdirection actions. This could be a difficult game to untangle.

Let's take a second to look at Cat5. Remember how I said Chop was softing without looking like he was deliberately setting up a false claim? This is the inverse. Here, this looks like a false claim being set up. There's also a bit of shade tossed specifically at Orange, though it's kind of weak on content.

On 10/30/2019 at 7:57 PM, Killing_You said:

Well, here's the problem; A little birdie told me that FRAYDO is neutral, and even managed to mention something about his role that was basically confirmed when it was revealed that the item FRAYDO passed was a ticket. Orange wasn't responsive as to how he got this information, but my working theory is that he has a partner, and that partner is either Cat5 or Louis.

So, here I reveal FRAYDO's alignment to keep town from going after him. I also felt that since Orange wasn't responding privately about the origin of the information in question, this would nudge him to being more responsive.

On 10/31/2019 at 9:06 AM, OrangeP47 said:

I'm not gonna reveal my sources, but I do have info on FRAYDO. Also KY hasn't been entirely truthful because I gave him evidence that FRAYDO has been lying and he didn't share that with the class.

FRAYDO has an item thief ability which he didn't claim, as well as the possibility to perhaps change people's alignments.

Orange follows up by revealing more about FRAYDO's role, this time seemingly designed to paint him in a more negative light. Note the difference in tone and intent. There's also the fact that he basically called me a liar (and you all know what good mafia players do with liars...)

On 10/31/2019 at 1:38 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Sigh. You're really going to make me reveal my role already, huh?

I'm a Hider. I hid behind Louis. The mechanics of being a Hider means I can't be directly targeted, thus why I was originally very confused why I received an item while hiding. Turns out the only way I could have received an item was if my target, Louis, happened to pass me one.

I think we should go for Orange or nolynch

##vote OrangeP47

Cat5 reveals his claim, along with a quick vote on Orange. No reason given, though.

On 10/31/2019 at 1:41 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I'll also explain that the reason why I think FRAYDO and Sunflower could be faking the failed kill is because the kill could have failed if it was directed at me. I don't think it's very likely, but I do think it is possible, so I won't dismiss the idea.

But he follows up by suggesting a FRAYDO/Sunflower scum team possibility. It felt like he was trying to get us to put more faith in that while still seeing that he voted for Orange.

On 10/31/2019 at 2:21 PM, Killing_You said:

As a side note, given some thought, I don't think Orange is scum. Why would scum rolecop the person that they're trying to kill? That makes no sense.

This is my one sticking point with this scenario, but it's becoming less and less of a major flaw to me. It could just be a false contradiction for one reason or another. However, any explanations are welcome.

On 10/31/2019 at 4:37 PM, Killing_You said:

Votes piling up on NoLynch, so I don't feel the need to keep up my vote anymore. However, I don't like how iLTS has been dancing around the question of reads, so he's high on my list. And if I cross-reference the list of possible suspects based on claimed actions with the list of people whose actions can be linked to their items and are therefore not clear, Louis shows up on both. I can't quite prove that those two are on a team, but there's no real evidence in the opposite direction, either. I'm putting my vote on Louis, but I'm open to switching to iLikeToSnipe.

##vote Louis

And now we get to the iLTS train, which I said I will expand upon. Now, I gave my reasoning in this post. I was wanting a Louis lynch, but I also said that I'd support an iLTS lynch.

On 10/31/2019 at 4:40 PM, Jeod said:

Nodlied agrees with my assessment and questions why iLTS is allowed to perform random actions that may or may not work (doesn't sound like a town role).

##vote iLikeToSnipe

Jeod's reasoning wasn't consolidated in a single post, since he and iLTS had been going at it for a while. However, he also claims that Nodlied discussed the situation with him in their doc, and I see no reason to consider either of them in the wrong.

On 10/31/2019 at 4:42 PM, FRAYDO said:

My death resulting from following Jeod is a possibility still, and something I want to consider for this post. Were that the case, iLTS would be at fault for sending me to my death. I'm currently not sold on a scum iLTS forcing me to follow a scum Jeod only for me to survive and have gained some knowledge. Were Jeod responsible for my death and I stayed dead, iLTS could have simply not claimed any control at all and left my NK a mystery. However, maybe Sunflower's save threw a wrench in that plan completely.

Jeod and iLTS may be our team.

##vote iLikeToSnipe

FRAYDO's reasoning. Rather solid, if ultimately wrong.

I thought I grabbed my actual vote quote, but apparently not. Anyway, right after this I followed up on my earlier post and supported the lynch.

So that was the infamous train. As I said, mostly accidental, especially given how close the posts were to each other in time.

On 10/31/2019 at 4:52 PM, OrangeP47 said:

I'd unvote to let this happen, but eh, I'll own it. I did say he was suspicious for much the same reasons as everyone else has said.

##Vote ILTS

Wait, we forgot the caboose. This time, it seems a bit half hearted.

Afterwards, rip iLTS. Mojo turned up dead N2, and we move on to D3.

On 11/1/2019 at 5:55 PM, Louis said:

First off, you guys talk about the Dutch gimmick was that the moment everyone spoke Dutch?

Secondly, last night I tried to steal and item from Jeod but didn't succeed because he didn't have any items.

Third, with the amulet it was the description that I got I must've change and I dont know what it says now, because I don't have it anymore.

 

On 11/1/2019 at 5:57 PM, OrangeP47 said:

What? That's not what my report showed? My report showed you did nothing 0_o

This discrepancy continues to bother me. My brain has gone through several possibilities, but at this point, I think there's one very simple solution. We'll get to that later.

On 11/1/2019 at 6:01 PM, OrangeP47 said:

Well my track is random (exclude one) so I didn't exactly pick. I thought it was just claimed BP anyway, though it's not exactly like Louis is known for explaining things.  She did previously claim not to have any abilities though aside from that I'm pretty sure, so now being a thief should be a red flag.

Keep this in mind. Orange believed (with good reason) that Louis had no night actions.

On 11/3/2019 at 2:06 AM, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Wow, you flipped your argument pretty fast. Not sure how I'm managing to be suspicious both for "working with Louis" and "not working with Louis" at pretty much the same time. Feels pretty familiar, given ChopBam and iLTS making opposite arguments against me last game for "being too narrow minded" to "considering too many possibilities" but this time it's two people on both sides of the fence. Real cute.

Let's back this suspicion bus back to where it started, yeah? You decided earlier that I was suspicious because my story couldn't be verified and maybe I was working with Louis to make said story. Then with literally no new information, you decide actually I wouldn't be bussing my partner so clearly I'm the only scum. But now you've forgotten the basis of your argument. If Louis and I are not partners, than how does the supposed lie I am making work? I reported my target and the fact that I had somehow magically gotten an item before she revealed who she passed the item to. If I was faking the hider claim and picked someone other than Louis as my fake target, I'm found out right away because Louis can claim she passed an item to me and boom, I'm caught. Makes no sense to make this kind of claim. Why wouldn't I just stay quiet about it or come up with something else?

I think your argument that I'm actually working with Louis actually makes more sense, frankly. 

And to that I say:

##vote Louis

And here's Cat5's heftiest post in the game so far. Notice how it's heavily weighted against Jeod, and yet he votes Louis. How did that go unnoticed? Looking back, it looks like he's setting up something for after Louis (who was Suspect Alpha at the time) got lynched.

On 11/3/2019 at 6:24 AM, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I've been told scum might kill me if I target them, which is perhaps my hint that the person who I target can still target me successfully. Balance wise that adjustment is usually made when the GM does not want the Hider to be a sort of cop.

Questions about his role came up, and he had this to say. Rather wishy-washy, more of an excuse to get people to stop asking questions than an actual explanation.

On 11/3/2019 at 11:21 AM, OrangeP47 said:

On Louis vs Cat 5:  TBH they're both rubbing me the wrong way. Obviously I have more personal interaction with Louis here, and that would tend to bias me towards wanting to vote her, so I feel like I need to dive deeper into Cat 5 to make sure I don't overlook him. Cat 5 seems less verifiable than Louis, for one thing, but on the other hand, Louis being obstinate is pretty anti-town.  Vengeful scum has a precedent (in the first game I hosted) so I'm wary of that. Honestly, what are our thoughts on Cat 5 - Louis scum team? It might have been ruled out and I missed it, but if it's a possibility, I'd want to go for Cat 5 first, so we can deal with the possible vengeful claim last, because if we hit that in the middle our odds of succeeding go down as our force for the next day is diminished.

Here, Orange tosses some shade Cat5's way, but again, not a whole lot of meat. Instead, it's leaning a bit more in the Louis direction, but still looks like he's distancing himself from Cat5.

On 11/3/2019 at 12:56 PM, OrangeP47 said:

As I said previously, I'm fine with either Cat 5 or Louis. I wanted discussion about a team between the two of them but that didn't materialize.  For the moment I'll vote Cat 5 in hopes of getting the trains close so we can analyze any possible hopping back and forth to look for partners.  The fact that I say this I don't suspect will actually influence scum

##Vote Cat 5

 

On 11/3/2019 at 12:57 PM, Retaliation said:

 

Players	Votes
Cat5	Louis
Chopbam	Louis
FRAYDO
iLikeToSnipe
Jeod	Louis
Killing You
Louis	Jeod
Mojoman
Nodlied
OrangeP47	Cat5
Sunflower	Louis

And later, Orange votes for Cat5, but I want you to note the context. Notice how there's a bunch of Louis votes, and he's the only Cat5 vote? Yet, he didn't provide an adequate argument other than "I want close trains," which is not enough in my book.

Soon after, Louis lashes out and kills Jeod.

On 11/3/2019 at 2:26 PM, OrangeP47 said:

##Vote Louis

Orange, understandably, is quick to vote Louis. However, by this point, there were also some Cat5 votes. It could easily be seen as him wanting to find a way to unsuspiciously unvote Cat5, and the opportunity was handed to him on a silver platter.

On 11/3/2019 at 3:42 PM, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Furthermore, while I have been told that scum might be able to target me in that way, it doesn't say anything about other alignments doing the same. I may have been making in incorrect assumption that my targets can still target me, it may just be if my target is scum.

And more wishy-washy stuff.

21 hours ago, OrangeP47 said:

I tracked KY to Cat 5. Not the best result, but I excluded Sunflower, and I can only work with what I have.

Amazingly convenient, isn't it? Especially since I expressly stated that my goal was to forklift Cat5 right after the Louis lynch. I bet Cat5 didn't target anyone because he was warned in the scumdoc.

So, Orange's tracking claims are: Track Louis to nowhere (RESULT: Discrepancy due to her visiting Jeod even though she claimed no actions), and track me to Cat5 (RESULT: Successful, although he was informed beforehand). He also claims that this track is RNG -1, which while odd, isn't too wild. So, what's the explanation for the N2 discrepancy and N3 convenience? Simple: He was lying.

PART III: CONCLUSION

In closing, I'd like you to consider the following; Cat5 and Orange are the scumteam. Cat5 tried to kill FRAYDO, either one was responsible for Mojo, and Orange tried to kill Sunflower. My vote currently rests on Cat5, but I will support an Orange lynch as well. I will not support any other lynch.

Now, good day to you all. I hope you agree with my findings.

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Working on a case right now, but in the meantime, @Category 5 Hurricane care to share your thoughts?

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3 hours ago, FRAYDO said:

Recall that Cat5 claimed a Hider role, and his reaction to what had happened in his N1 seemed genuine. Louis passed her item to Cat5, which under normal circumstances should have been impossible save for one possibility. That being said, that one possibility supposedly did happen as Cat5 received the amulet from Louis.

Cat5 cannot be responsible for the N1 NK attempt. You cannot just take Cat5's word for his action. Recall too that Louis herself claimed what she did with her item and who she passed it too, and successfully passed might I add.

However, the case of Mojoman remains open for Cat5 being responsible. I believe his alibi for N1 holds up, but N2 would need to be re-examined.

 

Counter point: If Cat5 wasn't actually a hider, then passing him an item would work normally. We haven't even verified that he is a hider, and he's been consistently unverified.

However, let's say his alibi holds up. Looking purely at N1, at who's actions are verified or not, the only other living person who could've attempted the murder is ChopBam. I'd say more, but unfortunately I have to leave for work momentarily.

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Cat5 is the only person who could be responsible for the attempt on FRAYDO's life, so until we get enough information to decide on a direction to go, I'm staying the course.

##vote Cat5

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Just now, Sunflower said:

So you aren't told who your target gets bussed to? I was wondering that last night.

Nope. It's just "You gave your target a ride on a forklift!" and that's that.

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Just now, Sunflower said:

What do you mean?

Doctor roles are generally prime NK targets, since they can save someone from being killed.

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Just now, ChopBam said:

@Killing_You whom did you visit?

Cat5. I was going to not mention it, but Sunflower being hit tells me that I probably didn't randomize the nightkill.

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2 minutes ago, ChopBam said:

I am not your tracker. FRAYDO did misread that bit.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Day start, and no death. Excellent! Now I can get to FRAYDO's questions, since I no longer have a post count to worry about.

1 hour ago, FRAYDO said:

I do hope it's your first time visiting me. The last person I found inside my factory scared me to death! (the N1 NK)

Hoping this person would not try again, but hey!

First off, it's a very nice factory. I'm glad you trusted me with the ticket.

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Let's say I don't make it through the night. I'll lay out some questions now should you wish to answer since you seem to have bypassed one important one to instead point fingers at others. This important one being question 1.

1) Why did you bus our claimed Tracker, ChopBam? Would you not be only hindering Town efforts in doing so?

I don't remember Chop claiming tracker. The quote you referenced seems closer to "If I was a tracker" than "I am a tracker." Let's also not forget that Mojo also claimed Tracker, technically giving us three. So I don't have any idea what Chop is, and that worried me at the time.

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2) I can understand Nodlied being N1 for the sake of randomly choosing, but at what point was it determined ChopBam may be scum and should be bussed? Did you not like when he claimed to have tracked you N1?

See above. Him also saying that he's "85% sure I'm neutral" doesn't quite sound like he tracked me.

@ChopBam can we get a little bit of clarification? Just a yes or no on you being a tracker would do.

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3) You have been very helpful and contributing well, but what have your actions really even done to help Town?

Honestly, not much. I guess it helped put the pieces from N1 together, but eh.

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4) What do you think of that bandwagon that took out iLTS D2? As I recall, Jeod started the wagon on the reasoning of iLTS' actions not sounding like a town role. I voted iLTS believing he was responsible for my N1 death. Following those posts, you immediately changed up your vote from Louis to iLTS making it three votes. Orange added yet another vote on iLTS. ChopBam stated he was "tempted to vote iLTS" but chose to leave it be at NoLynch. Nodlied seemed to have missed the vote. Following up on Cat5's argument, who do you suppose is most suspicious from the voting (or perhaps lack thereof)?

For reference:
D2

Cat5	Orange
Chopbam	No Lynch
FRAYDO	iLikeToSnipe
iLikeToSnipe	No Lynch
Jeod	iLikeToSnipe
Killing You	iLikeToSnipe
Louis
Mojoman
Nodlied
OrangeP47	iLikeToSnipe
Sunflower	No Lynch

 

I'd have to reread the arguments, but at the time it seemed slightly accidental. Jeod pretty much had control of the conversation that day, and was making good points. I was swayed by his arguments. Can't speak for everyone else, though.

As for those who didn't vote iLTS, Chop's the only one that stuck out to me at the time. It felt like he was trying to be on the train just enough to appear town-y, but not enough to be implicated when iLTS flipped.

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7 hours ago, Killing_You said:

So yeah, Nodlied targeted iLikeToSnipe, and caught a ride on my forklift. Let's also not forget that Mojo was gimmicked rather than blocked, which supports Nodlied's claim that if two or more people visit him, the gimmick triggers rather than the roleblock. If you remove me from the equation, only Jeod visited him.

...and I just realized that I somehow forgot that Mojo tracked Nodlied, which counts as a visit, so I guess that eliminates that point from my argument. This is why you need coffee before doing any Mafia, kids!

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2 hours ago, FRAYDO said:

So I am examining this now at the beginning of the day to see what I can determine from it.

 

 

 

 

Supposedly, Nodlied took out a roleblock on you, ChopBam. The pumpkin that Nodlied was in was stated to have given him a bonus action, allowing him to place you in a painting and additionally placed another random target into a painting which happened to be Jeod.

If I am viewing Killing_You as scum, I see this as a good opportunity to claim a visit on ChopBam to clear himself of being available to do the NK. Before moving on, we should review his claimed ability and effect.

He has claimed a driver, and he also has claimed that his target's destination is random.

N1 we have the claim that he bussed Nodlied, which incidentally led to Mojoman learning a new language. Interesting enough, I don't believe we ever did hear a claim of who Nodlied's original target was. @Nodlied may I trouble you to fill in that missing piece of information?

N2 we have the claim that KY bussed ChopBam, which directed him to Nodlied's roleblock. It's odd for ChopBam's action to simply fail, but considering who he attempted to track and being placed inside a painting by his target, you could say that is confirmation in itself.

The question I have then is why? I suppose this is more directed to Nodlied. Was it Nodlied's decision to roleblock ChopBam, our claimed tracker? Were that so, it's not a very good move when ChopBam was the least suspicious player at the time as opposed to when our previous thinking was either Louis or Cat5 for the N1 murder.

I think it's very important to note here: We don't know if any bussing actions actually took place. Both nights can only be taken at KY's word. N1 it is possible he lied about his bus and aimed to kill me, and N2 he again took the opportunity to claim a bus action when he instead followed up with Mojo's N2 NK.

You really need to work on your swamp german :P

On 10/30/2019 at 10:17 AM, Nodlied said:

Oh wow. Sorry man, jij was niet mijn doelwit. Dat zou de man zijn die graag een scherpschutter is. Erg bizar dat ik uiteindelijk bij jou uit kwam. Lijkt er op dat er een bus chauffeur bezig is. Het feit dat jij nu die schrijf restrictie hebt geeft ook aan dat ik door twee of meer mensen bezocht ben.

Translation: Oh wow. Sorry man, you were not my target. That would be the man who likes being a sniper. Very bizarre that I ended up with you. Looks like a bus driver is busy. The fact that you now have that write restriction also indicates that I have been visited by two or more people.

So yeah, Nodlied targeted iLikeToSnipe, and caught a ride on my forklift. Let's also not forget that Mojo was gimmicked rather than blocked, which supports Nodlied's claim that if two or more people visit him, the gimmick triggers rather than the roleblock. If you remove me from the equation, only Jeod visited him.

2 hours ago, FRAYDO said:

	D1 Vote	N1 Claim
Category 5		Something "weird that should have been impossible." Not verified
ChopBam	OrangeP47	Visited KY Not verified
FRAYDO	FRAYDO	Passed a ticket to iLTS; Redirected <from no action> to follow Jeod, tracked to Nodlied Verified by iLikeToSnipe
iLikeToSnipe	Voe	Received ticket from FRAYDO Receipt verified, but no claimed action
Jeod	Spare Voe	Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified by Nodlied
Killing_You	Spare Voe	BUS DRIVER Nodlied Verified by Nodlied
Louis	Spare Voe	<nothing> Not verified
Mojoman	Jeod	Visited Nodlied Verified by his accurate claim before Nodlied confirmed it
Nodlied	Voe	Redirected->Mojoman, gimmick Verified
OrangeP47	Voe	Masonry w/ KY Verified
Sunflower	Voe	<did not visit Nodlied> No claimed action, unverifiable
Result	Voe, doppelganger	No deaths, FRAYDO saved

Right, so back to Killing_You.

Page 24. Seems KY has been gunning for these two quite early.

Why, if I were KY and seeing how the day's vote was tied up between the two of them, I would say this:

'course, you would be a cheeky bastard had you did.

As a matter of fact, I do. She was hostile third party who lashed out with a daykill, eliminating Town. Getting rid of her was good. We started the day with (est.) 4 town, 2 scum, 2 neutral, 1 TP. We're now down to 3 town, 2 scum, and 2 neutral. We need to be careful moving forward.

But, ehh that chart of yours is a touch outdated (which is funny, since I was considering a case on ChopBam when I made that particular chart). Let me fetch you an updated chart.

 

	D1	N1	D2	N2
Category 5	<No Vote>	Hid behind Louis Received item from Louis Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	OrangeP47	Hid behind Louis Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
ChopBam	OrangeP47	Visited KY Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	No Lynch	Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
FRAYDO	FRAYDO	Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied Verified, sudoku attempt implausible	iLikeToSnipe	Passed ticket to KY Verified, clear in Mojo case
Jeod	Spare Voe	Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
Killing_You	Spare Voe	BUS DRIVER / Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Louis	Spare Voe	Passed item to Cat5 No action claim Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	<No Vote>	Item thief/Jeod Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Nodlied	Voe	Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Was put into a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Verified, clear in Mojo case
OrangeP47	Voe	Masonry w/ KY Used rolecop item on FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	RNG Tracker/Louis Pass Profiler/Unknown Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Sunflower	Voe	Doctored FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch	Doctored Orange Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
iLikeToSnipe	Voe	Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch / Dead	-
Mojoman	Jeod	Visited Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Dead
[RESULT]	Effectively No Lynch	NK failed, FRAYDO was saved	iLTS died town	Mojoman died town

(I don't know how to add columns to copy/paste charts and I don't feel like doing it right now since I just woke up)

As you can see, in the Mojo case, we have Cat5 and ChopBam left, and in the Mojo case we have Cat5, myself, and OrangeP47. Cat5 is still a common factor, and I don't think that's coincidence.

Either way, I'll be more than happy to answer your questions during my visit to the factory, Mr Wonka. I've read the book rules quite thoroughly, and I promise not to be a bother.

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Alright, I have to head out, so I'm gonna miss hammer. Personally, I still see Louis at the epicenter if the different scum possibilities in my head, so I'm placing my vote on her. I trust Town to make the correct decision, however.

##vote Louis

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5 minutes ago, Jeod said:

I can go either way, that’s why I’ve been asking for other input. I do feel a case for Cat5 is stronger than a case for Louis. There’s so far been nothing to tell us that the party profiler is an item. Doesn’t match flavor for Montresor either.

I'll tell you where I'm at right now, and I'll let you do with the info as you please.

Right now, I have two possible scum teams in my head: Cat5 and Louis or you and Louis. The case on Cat5 and Louis is mainly due to them both being unconfirmed both nights and the apparent night interactions between the two (Cat5 choosing to hide behind her). You and Louis, however, is mainly due to how as soon as votes started piling up on Louis, you started making a case for Cat5. I also can't ignore the fact that Louis was Suspect Alpha for a lot of yesterday, until your spat with iLTS steered the lynch onto him. \

Either way, Louis is on both teams I can think of, and therefore will probably get my vote today.

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MAFIA EDIT: Forgot to mention, I'll be placing my vote closer to hammer. I want to see where the arguments go today.

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##unvote

Looks like there's a lot of good arguments in favor of either Cat5 or Louis. I'd be fine with lynching either one today. That being said, I can see Jeod's push on Cat5 as subtly steering the lynch away from Louis, but it's not strong enough for me to make a definitive case.

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So, yeah. Just add "not reading my PM correctly" to the list of Voe things that I've done this game.  

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...okay, never mind. Retal just reminded me that there is a mason action in my PM. It was just in the OP, not the result PM. And no, it's not automatic.

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Just now, OrangeP47 said:

There should be a masonry involved. Is it automatic, or does the ticket enable it?

No, there's no masonry attached to this thing. It was just, "Hey, neat! You have a golden ticket!" and that's it. (Okay, that's not the specific wording, but same principle.)

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3 minutes ago, Sunflower said:

So the ticket doesn't do anything that you know of?

Nope, not that I can tell.

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4 minutes ago, Jeod said:

If it weren't for Retaliation essentially confirming the existence of "another Voe", I'd be suspicious of you for agreeing with me so much. I was completely wrong about iLTS.

What can I say? You make good points.  

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3 minutes ago, Jeod said:

@Louis I don't think you should "go down" for this lynch. Recall this quote from D2.

1) Cat5 points out you're the only one who could have performed the attempted kill. That early in the game, I can't see Cat5 willing to bus his partner.

2) Interestingly, Cat5 brought up the same point I made that the attempted kill could have been staged. This is one of the reasons I gained scrutiny the previous day, because it seems ridiculous.

He hasn't continued to press either of these points, leading me to believe he's comfortable with us getting our hands dirty for him. I'm especially concerned about Point #2--since I gained scrutiny for it, why didn't he make further posts about it? If he considers it an impossible thing now, then why didn't he join in scrutinizing me?

That... makes a lot of sense, actually. Good catch. And since Cat5 is equally as high on my list...

##vote Category 5

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Just now, Louis said:

Because both of you are targeting me.

Not without good reason, though. There's a good chunk of evidence in your direction. Is there anything besides targeting you that shows Jeod and I could be scum?

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1 minute ago, Louis said:

Because he's only on later when I'm asleep, so I don't have the time to answer him and I'm not interested in him my top suspects are KY and Jeod.

Interesting. Care to explain your position?

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Just now, Jeod said:

I suppose KY can also answer that question.

My PM doesn't specify, but based on the info Orange got from copping FRAYDO, I'm his "heir," so to speak. I just need to stay alive and hold the ticket for him to win, in the event that he dies.

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49 minutes ago, Jeod said:

I was thinking about an angle where Cat5 and Louis are a scumteam. When Cat5 claimed Hider and said Louis wouldn't recognize it, Louis didn't ask more about the role. In combination with inability to verify, I think one if not both of them are scum.

Not only does this make a lot of sense, but it explains a few things that have been bothering me. Specifically; the fact that neither Louis nor Cat5 had verifiable claims either night, the fact that both of them were the only ones to be unverifiable both nights, the fact that Orange got a different result from Louis' claim, and the fact that Cat5 has continuously hid behind Louis. The only other thing that bothers me at the moment is the fact that we don't know anything about ChopBam's role, but let's set that aside for now.

Instead, let's look at the discrepancy with the N2 result. Personally, I don't think it's an accident that the reports are different (especially since, in my experience at least, failing to steal someone's items still counts as "visiting" them) and that Cat5 has chosen the same person to hide behind. I have a theory: Category 5 is hiding the investigation results. Pretty much everything falls into place. Them being a scum team would explain the first two, but him having to actively hide the results explains why Orange's result was not what Louis' report was, and it would explain why Cat5 has continuously "hid behind" her.

50 minutes ago, Jeod said:

Do we have a compiling of N2 actions yet? What if Mojoman wasn't the intended kill target?

Here's a copy/pasta from earlier. Should've done this sooner to keep it updated. (Don't mind my added commentary regarding night actions, it's about whether they were verified or not)

	D1	N1	D2	N2
Category 5	<No Vote>	Hid behind Louis Received item from Louis Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	OrangeP47	Hid behind Louis Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
ChopBam	OrangeP47	Visited KY Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	No Lynch	Attempted to visit Nodlied Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
FRAYDO	FRAYDO	Passed ticket to iLTS Forced to follow Jeod to Nodlied Verified, sudoku attempt implausible	iLikeToSnipe	Passed ticket to KY Verified, clear in Mojo case
Jeod	Spare Voe	Masonry w/ Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	Roleblocked Verified, clear in Mojo case
Killing_You	Spare Voe	BUS DRIVER / Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	BUS DRIVER / ChopBam Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Louis	Spare Voe	Passed item to Cat5 No action claim Unverified, FRAYDO kill suspect	<No Vote>	Item thief/Jeod Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Nodlied	Voe	Redirected to Mojoman, Forcing Dutch gimmick Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Was put into a pumpkin Roleblocked ChopBam and Jeod Verified, clear in Mojo case
OrangeP47	Voe	Masonry w/ KY Used rolecop item on FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	iLikeToSnipe	RNG Tracker/Louis Pass Profiler/Unknown Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
Sunflower	Voe	Doctored FRAYDO Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch	Doctored Orange Unverified, Mojo kill suspect
iLikeToSnipe	Voe	Received ticket from FRAYDO Gave FRAYDO bonus action Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	No Lynch / Dead	-
Mojoman	Jeod	Visited Nodlied Verified, clear in FRAYDO case	<No Vote>	Dead
[RESULT]	Effectively No Lynch	NK failed, FRAYDO was saved	iLTS died town	Mojoman died town