Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 No, although I suppose that is possible. It's hard to believe mojo when he's already lied about his flavor. He's claimed castro in the doc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 On the other had, as far as scum knew I agreed to investigate shade. Be odd to mess with me and kill shade. You said there could be world leader scum didn't you Jeod? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 It’s a possibility. Not confirmed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Mojo claimed castro before he realized I was being 100% serious on my scum read. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 A scum masonry ability would be out of left field...sounds like the kind of thing OP47 would do. Besides, if it’s wrong, it’s your neck on the line. Plenty of time for debating what direction we take though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 I've done it before. It's pretty funny from a GM perspective. Ideally I would have time to play with mojo to be sure, but classwork is more important. Irish and mojo are on the top of my lists. Not only has the world tension decreased fitting in with Shade's roleclaim, but he Irish has been spotty. I feel like the vote on shade could be an excellent example of scum trying to push the lynch toward an active threatening player and away from an inactive unknown one. Mojo has been pretty inactive, lied about his flavor, and has been deflecting from the importance of nationality. Come to think of it so has Irish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Never mind I can't find a case where Irish really talked about nationality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 4:56 PM, TheIrishman said: Well since Voe isn't here and I'd rather not die. ##Vote Voe After Voe, Retaliation, FRAYDO, KY, and Chopbam are my top suspects. Retaliation because of his fluff. He stated his prime suspects live in the mojave desert, but didn't follow through with that. FRAYDO because his fluff. He can do better than that. KY because he's the first to state that nationalities don't matter while putting out there that he's Russian, which Shade's statement contradicts. And ChopBam for his collaborating with KY to an extent and asking for Cat5's opinion rather than offering up his own. It's all pretty weak though being D1. His list of suspects from his voe vote is full of likely non mafia players though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Retaliation said: So two things happened for me last night. I got a scum read on mojo, and I assume he invited me to a doc. I'm basically questioning him twice! And I got a Cuban read on him. Ding ding. 1 hour ago, Mojoman said: That someone may also be wrong on their read. What I'm more interested about is why you have been lying about being a 1 hour ago, Retaliation said: No, although I suppose that is possible. It's hard to believe mojo when he's already lied about his flavor. He's claimed castro in the doc. Makes a lot of sense to be honest. Also nice to see you beating it to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Oh, and before I forget, ##Vote Mojoman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nodlied said: Oh, and before I forget, ##Vote Mojoman. Vote counted! CVC World Tension is at 25 Nodlied voted Mojmoan Jeod voted no one TheIrishman voted no one ChopBam voted no one Killing_You voted no one Retaliation voted no one Mojoman voted no one Mojoman leads with 1/7 votes cast! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Is the herbert hoover avatar a slight hint that you're J Edgar Hoover? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Just now, Retaliation said: Is the herbert hoover avatar a slight hint that you're J Edgar Hoover? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Oh, and cause I forgot to apply the penalty for not voting two days in a row... CVC World Tension is at 25 Nodlied voted Mojmoan Jeod voted no one TheIrishman voted no one ChopBam voted no one Killing_You voted no one Retaliation voted no one Mojoman voted no one Extra Vote for Mojoman! Mojoman leads with 1/7 votes cast! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 If Retaliation is a cop, then he's sane and has had no reason to lie about his results, and in that case, Mojo is scum. If Retaliation is not a cop, it would have been easy to claim his results on Cat5 yesterday, then lie so we lynch Mojo, us being none the wiser. There's a problem with this 2nd option however. Why would Retaliation spout this falsifiable lie if he was scum? He'd be caught red-handed and investigated himself. As such I'm leaning toward the 1st option. I've never had an easy time reading Mojo and I see this case as no exception. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlied Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, ChopBam said: If Retaliation is a cop, then he's sane and has had no reason to lie about his results, and in that case, Mojo is scum. If Retaliation is not a cop, it would have been easy to claim his results on Cat5 yesterday, then lie so we lynch Mojo, us being none the wiser. There's a problem with this 2nd option however. Why would Retaliation spout this falsifiable lie if he was scum? He'd be caught red-handed and investigated himself. As such I'm leaning toward the 1st option. I've never had an easy time reading Mojo and I see this case as no exception. Indeed. Although I'd like to hear from him. The day is still young. Chances are high that he's one of our warmongerers though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Well, mojo? Time to spill the beans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 What beans are left to spill? ##vote Mojoman Thinking further in the direction of finding scum by ruling out everyone else Nodlied: Not much contribution to scum hunting, but looking back there's a detail to support his nationality cop claim. He knew I would be a cop when I claimed my flavor, much like how I figured out his flavor when he claimed role Jeod: I like his target priority. After me KY and Shade were the most obvious targets, and Jeod was being consistent in distrusting Shade. Irish: I've talked a lot about Irish. Chopbam: Killing You: One Shoe to rule them all, One Shoe to find them, One Shoe to bring them all and in class struggle bind them. Retaliation: *REDACTED* Mojojojo: Has done precious little all game and I got a scum read. Short of a redirect I can't conceive of a way around it. I don't think me being bussed is likely because it's inconsistent with killing shade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Retaliation said: What beans are left to spill? ##vote Mojoman Thinking further in the direction of finding scum by ruling out everyone else Nodlied: Not much contribution to scum hunting, but looking back there's a detail to support his nationality cop claim. He knew I would be a cop when I claimed my flavor, much like how I figured out his flavor when he claimed role Jeod: I like his target priority. After me KY and Shade were the most obvious targets, and Jeod was being consistent in distrusting Shade. Irish: I've talked a lot about Irish. Chopbam: Killing You: One Shoe to rule them all, One Shoe to find them, One Shoe to bring them all and in class struggle bind them. Retaliation: *REDACTED* Mojojojo: Has done precious little all game and I got a scum read. Short of a redirect I can't conceive of a way around it. I don't think me being bussed is likely because it's inconsistent with killing shade. Vote counted! CVC World Tension is at 25 Nodlied voted Mojmoan Jeod voted no one TheIrishman voted no one ChopBam voted no one Killing_You voted no one Retaliation voted Mojoman Mojoman voted no one Extra Vote for Mojoman! Mojoman leads with 2/7 votes cast! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 My only qualm with the rush to pounce on mojo is the possibility that you were hit with something that swaps your report. We also haven’t heard from everyone yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Oh I don't want to end the day early either. I just feel obligated to have a vote on mojo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Okay, that clears shade... in a sense. First things first, let's see if his ability went off or not. According to him, if it went off, it reduced World Tension by 10. Also, I used an ability last night that lowers World Tension by 20. Furthermore, we know that the death of a townie raises tension by 15. So, let's run the math here, without accounting for Shade's ability. Keep in mind that Shade had announced publicly that he was going to use his ability on TheIrishman. 20-15=5. That means that World Tension would've gone down by 5. Let's see what the reality says: Tension at Night Start: 30 Tension at Night End: 25 Net result says it went down by 5. This means that Shade's ability did not proc. This offers up four scenarios: Irish is scum but not crazy Naval Officer, Irish is town, Shade tried his ability on someone else and it failed, or Shade's death prevented his ability from activating. I'll have to think on this a bit. For now, let me do some more charting. Blue represents information gained since the last update. Green represents my personal guesses. Player Nationality Role Alignment Nodlied American J. Edgar Hoover Town Jeod American Lem Billings Town TheIrishman Soviet (Russian) Valentin Savitsky Mafia FRAYDO American Lee Harvey Oswald Third Party ChopBam American Richard S. Heyser Town Killing You Soviet (Russian) Nikita Khrushchev Town Voe American John F Kennedy Town Category 5 American Robert Kennedy Town Shade Soviet (Russian) Vasili Arkhipov Town Retaliation Soviet (Russian) Vladimir Semichastny Town Mojoman Soviet (Cuban) Fidel Castro Mafia I had very strong townreads on pretty much everyone aside from Retaliation. However, the fact that Shade died last night brought up some questions. Was it possible that scum was trying to put Retaliation at the scene of the crime two nights in a row? An odd gambit, but with how public we were with our plans, it seemed to make the most sense. And then there's Irish. In all his helpfulness, I never noticed that he was only helpful with information that didn't pertain to himself. He never had to defend Mojoman, who slipped by quietly in the background, using only a maple leaf to conceal himself. He was also the last person to reveal his nationality, and in doing so he likely knew that claiming Soviet would be career suicide due to Shade's role. So, yeah. Retaliation, I owe you an apology, man. Oh, one more thing. I'd place a vote, but I cannot due so thanks to my ability that I used last night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Killing You said: Okay, that clears shade... in a sense. First things first, let's see if his ability went off or not. According to him, if it went off, it reduced World Tension by 10. Also, I used an ability last night that lowers World Tension by 20. Furthermore, we know that the death of a townie raises tension by 15. So, let's run the math here, without accounting for Shade's ability. Keep in mind that Shade had announced publicly that he was going to use his ability on TheIrishman. 20-15=5. That means that World Tension would've gone down by 5. Let's see what the reality says: Tension at Night Start: 30 Tension at Night End: 25 Net result says it went down by 5. This means that Shade's ability did not proc. This offers up four scenarios: Irish is scum but not crazy Naval Officer, Irish is town, Shade tried his ability on someone else and it failed, or Shade's death prevented his ability from activating. Ah, but have you considered night 1 our tension jumped from 15 to 40? Scum's already shown they can jump tension by 25, and what is 20 + 10 - 25? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Retaliation said: Ah, but have you considered night 1 our tension jumped from 15 to 40? Scum's already shown they can jump tension by 25, and what is 20 + 10 - 25? Holy shit. I totally forgot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I’m not Len Billings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Welp. That throws out the multiple scenario possibility. Now it seems there's but one truth: Irish and Mojo are the scum team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Jeod said: I’m not Len Billings. You're not? Then who are you? (For the record, the "Gay for Kennedy" thing is what led me to that conclusion.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Killing You said: You're not? Then who are you? (For the record, the "Gay for Kennedy" thing is what led me to that conclusion.) Maxwell D. Taylor at your service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Oh. In my defense, I don't get the "Gay for Kennedy" reference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Killing You said: Oh. In my defense, I don't get the "Gay for Kennedy" reference. According to my wiki entry, Taylor was essentially “Praise Kennedy” during the Cold War. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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