OrangeP47 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: Also, I was claiming TP as a TP in that game... So I have no idea what you can be referring to then? You were all over the place. Claiming "helpful TP" is the same as claiming neutral basically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: That's a very interesting interpretation of events You did win didn't you as the Mafia, and eliminating me certainly didn't do anything at all to help them catch Mafia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 But anywho, I'm going to bed. @Category 5 Hurricane Vote when you get on, never know when the forum is going down again, so it's good to go on record. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, OrangeP47 said: You were all over the place. Claiming "helpful TP" is the same as claiming neutral basically. To be frank, I would have really argued that role should have had a neutral alignment instead of being a TP. My objective didn't prevent Town from lynching me at all, and neither did i poses any means to actually kill anyone in game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 @Category 5 Hurricanewhat do you think about sending Orange to the wall in order to resolve this conflict and pacify the kingdom? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 ##vote Orange 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 I'm mixed. I'd rather we all get along and put our heads down and get ready for winter, but I'm not totally in a position where I believe that any of the fighting parties doesn't have some other goal in mind. I particularly don't like how both founding members of the rebellion are still working as a unit. While Louis did get picked as my hand, I picked her to verify whether or not she rebelled, not because I actually wanted her. Furthermore, she has an alliance with Shade and is still working for his goals rather than talking with me. I've unfortunately realized that picking her was a mistake on my part, and one I may need to fix. I do not need a double agent as my Royal Advisor. Orange may talk big about what he can do, but he's now in a position where he depends on me for protection. Even if he were to kill me now, he can't win the next vote as his masters of political science has failed him, and then nobody will be left to defend him. Attacking him while I had royal forces there helping him defend also revealed to me what you guys have to work with. Given that you couldn't take down the least defended house in the kingdom (albiet with a small royal force attached), it doesn't appear you guys have that much to work with right now. At this time I'm inclined to vote Louis and place her at the wall for extra defenses for the upcoming winter period as Retal needs replacements for forces that have abandoned their duty. After that, an ultimatum will be placed on OrangeP47, Shade, and Rubeci. An attack from either side will be considered an act of war and will be dealt with in kind. If Louis does not like this proposal, she has some time to convince me otherwise. ##vote Louis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: I'm mixed. I'd rather we all get along and put our heads down and get ready for winter, but I'm not totally in a position where I believe that any of the fighting parties doesn't have some other goal in mind. I particularly don't like how both founding members of the rebellion are still working as a unit. While Louis did get picked as my hand, I picked her to verify whether or not she rebelled, not because I actually wanted her. Furthermore, she has an alliance with Shade and is still working for his goals rather than talking with me. I've unfortunately realized that picking her was a mistake on my part, and one I may need to fix. I do not need a double agent as my Royal Advisor. Orange may talk big about what he can do, but he's now in a position where he depends on me for protection. Even if he were to kill me now, he can't win the next vote as his masters of political science has failed him, and then nobody will be left to defend him. Attacking him while I had royal forces there helping him defend also revealed to me what you guys have to work with. Given that you couldn't take down the least defended house in the kingdom (albiet with a small royal force attached), it doesn't appear you guys have that much to work with right now. At this time I'm inclined to vote Louis and place her at the wall for extra defenses for the upcoming winter period as Retal needs replacements for forces that have abandoned their duty. After that, an ultimatum will be placed on OrangeP47, Shade, and Rubeci. An attack from either side will be considered an act of war and will be dealt with in kind. If Louis does not like this proposal, she has some time to convince me otherwise. ##vote Louis Interesting decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Mechanic wise you seem completely incapable of enforcing it though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Shade939 said: Mechanic wise you seem completely incapable of enforcing it though. If you do not cooperate, what do you think will happen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: If you do not cooperate, what do you think will happen? Well, I assume that Orange will assassinate someone, and then everyone else will get voted up, so I don't think it matters in that situation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Of course, that should happen even if we did cooperate, so what exactly are you trying to offer here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Well, alright. Let's see if we can work out that scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Let's say, for example, that Orange does assassinate someone. If he takes me down, you guys control the vote. If he takes you down, he doesn't have a chance against the Royal Army or probably Rubeci. Would you agree? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: Let's say, for example, that Orange does assassinate someone. If he takes me down, you guys control the vote. If he takes you down, he doesn't have a chance against the Royal Army or probably Rubeci. Would you agree? It's a moot point, the simple fact is by voting up Orange now you eliminate all scenarios where he could use his assassination ability against you. You can't even argue he won't attempt to use it on someone, since that's literally what he did already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Would sending him to the wall eliminate the ability? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Besides, I want him here because his presence helps ensures you can't attack me directly. If that isn't your plan, that shouldn't be a problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: Would sending him to the wall eliminate the ability? I couldn't spend any FP while I was at the wall, so I believe the same situation should apply to Orange. Plus, there are limitations on what the Night Watch can do in the first place, so he might not even be capable of targeting anyone if he can still use it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: I couldn't spend any FP while I was at the wall, so I believe the same situation should apply to Orange. Plus, there are limitations on what the Night Watch can do in the first place, so he might not even be capable of targeting anyone if he can still use it. Yet you are back, and have shown to have an offensive option of some kind while the rest of us don't. Being sent to the wall isn't a permanent solution to your problem and makes the kingdom as a whole weaker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Yet you are back, and have shown to have an offensive option of some kind while the rest of us don't. Being sent to the wall isn't a permanent solution to your problem and makes the kingdom as a whole weaker. I'm back because Rubeci brought me back, the only other way I know of, is if the Hand of the King was recruited from the Wall which you already have one of those. Plus, if we get down to things, you don't have enough votes to carry out your plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Ah, so you wish to keep Louis in the kingdom, is that what you are saying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Ah, so you wish to keep Louis in the kingdom, is that what you are saying? Yes, I've actually been capable of working Louis without having to worry about her stabbing me in the back and betraying me. Plus, there's still the obvious point that Orange can assassinate someone if he's not voted up today... Furthermore, I can go ahead and tell you that neither I or Rubeci have any interest in voting you up or eliminating you or anyone else from the game as long as they're not actively threatening us. And considering that our objective doesn't require us to actively eliminate anyone else, I'm inclined to actively pursue a peaceful resolution where possible instead. But obviously we can't meet that objective if we're dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Indeed. Well, with the three of you working together, I suppose I have little choice in the matter. However, this is the crux of the deal I am making. I will enforce the ultimatum on Orange if and only if Louis is sent to the wall. If Orange is sent to the wall instead, I will not consider an attack from Orange in your direction as an attack on the kingdom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 That being said, I suspect we'll all be too busy to worry about the balance of power once we start the next phase, and instead we'll be worrying about the lack of troops positioned on the wall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 To answer something Jeod asked me about long ago, I don't see anything about any victory condition for me. I don't think I've ever seen one, now that I think about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Hurricane Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 It would seem as if personal survival and ambition are the victory conditions, outside of taking down rebellions if they appear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted August 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 Since forum was down Sunday, the hammer was moved by one day 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 @Category 5 Hurricane Louis will likely be replaced by Voe. Still don’t know if he’s going to come back to help shubeci or you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Let's say, for example, that Orange does assassinate someone. If he takes me down, you guys control the vote. If he takes you down, he doesn't have a chance against the Royal Army or probably Rubeci. Would you agree? 3 hours ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Ah, so you wish to keep Louis in the kingdom, is that what you are saying? Let us not forget that Orange attempted to have me murdered last night. Only because he failed there can be a majority over his and the king's vote on this day phase. If Louis goes to the wall or Shade is his next target (or both) this won't be the case anymore. That means, there is no reason for anyone to believe he won't try over and over. So there needs to be assurance that this cannot happen. In my opinion and what I hear from Louis and Shade, there is no urge for elimination when we can have an alternative way. If you think the wall is not the only option, please tell us and we can discuss that proposal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubeci Posted August 12, 2019 Report Share Posted August 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jeod said: @Category 5 Hurricane Louis will likely be replaced by Voe. Still don’t know if he’s going to come back to help shubeci or you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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