Games [GAME OVER] CYOR VI

[OrangeP47]

Just now, iLikeToSnipe said:

Even so, I have no reason to play along with that and take any risks with him.

I just find your reaction there more telling and stronger evidence than your blustering now.

[iLikeToSnipe]

Just now, OrangeP47 said:

I just find your reaction there more telling and stronger evidence than your blustering now.

Why?

[Retaliation]

2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said:

I'm not allergic to it and it's quite tasty.

Give us the reads and it's all yours.

[OrangeP47]

2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said:

Why?

I mean, you know what they say, actions speak louder than words?

[iLikeToSnipe]

2 minutes ago, Retaliation said:

Give us the reads and it's all yours.

It will give me night BP? If so, give me a couple minutes to get back to my computer and type up my reads and info.

If it doesn't work and I die due to a night kill, you're my likely target for revenge. 

[Retaliation]

2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said:

It will give me night BP? If so, give me a couple minutes to get back to my computer and type up my reads and info.

If it doesn't work and I die due to a night kill, you're my likely target for revenge. 

I'd say it's unlikely you'll die, but after we lost Irish I'm not so sure anymore!

[Retaliation]

Honestly though wouldn't mafia killing you at this point just validate your reads?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Him giving reads doesn't make a neutral any more of a target. He's soft claim having some sort of investigative ability, however, which could be more threatening.

[iLikeToSnipe]

Just now, Retaliation said:

Honestly though wouldn't mafia killing you at this point just validate your reads?

Maybe? But if I'm working with town my biggest threat won't just be the scum reads I have. Anyone can come up with a read.

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Him giving reads doesn't make a neutral any more of a target. He's soft claim having some sort of investigative ability, however, which could be more threatening.

Exactly.

[iLikeToSnipe]

@Retaliation I'll give my info soon. Better get that tonight. 

[OrangeP47]

15 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Him giving reads doesn't make a neutral any more of a target. He's soft claim having some sort of investigative ability, however, which could be more threatening.

I fail to see how ILTS' fantasy craft would make sense with him having an investigative power.  Sounds like more BS to me.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Well, this is why I've been pressing him to make a case rather than continue to sit back and tell us to figure it out. Let's see what he says.

[iLikeToSnipe]

1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said:

I fail to see how ILTS' fantasy craft would make sense with him having an investigative power.  Sounds like more BS to me.

Hold your horses and read what I have to say. Almost done.

[iLikeToSnipe]

So, first the juicy info. I have an ability I can use during the night with a one-phase cooldown (I've only been able to use it during N1). This ability is called Stalk and allows me to stalk a player and see what "tasks" they do. If they do nothing, I study them and learn their alignment. If they perform any actions or pass any items I get info on what they are capable of. Actions give effects and target it was used on. Passed items give me the details and who it was passed to. The purpose of this action is to learn information so I can help whichever faction I end up assisting (if I do).

N1 I stalked ChopBam to see what he would do. He is one of the players I have a harder time reading (not enough content for me to work with), so I chose him first. He targeted Shade and his action was a stealth roleblock. This is why I was suggesting the idea of Shade being targeted by mafia and a third-party (Louis or KY). I see no reason for somebody to just use a stealth roleblock like that as town.

I have my concerns and distrust of Shade's gambit. But Orange appears to have bought into him checking alignment/character, so mafia may have as well. That would make him a prime target to kill, or to just block since they have a stealth role block.

Player Reads:

OrangeP47 (town or mafia, no hard read): He has contributed to the discussion during the game, as always. But his discussion reads to me as somebody looking for opportunities to push cases, not to hunt scum. One of the players who has claimed no ability to do anything at night.

Killing_You (town with a gambit; or TP/mafia): I don't believe his claims so far. He's either pulling off a town gambit (not likely). Or he's making a fake claim as TP or mafia. I suspect the latter given his actions and how the game is playing out right now.

Category 5 (town): Killed Louis with a daykill. He seemed to legit be aiming for mafia, so I don't know how he could be anything but town.

ChopBam ( mafia): Used a hostile action N1, has not contributed much during the game. Seems to be one of his mafia metas. As explained above, I strongly suspect mafia given his actions.

Mojoman (no read): Used a day action to protect OrangeP47 on D1. I haven't paid close attention to him, so I don't really have a read.

Anon_Kat (Shade 2.0?): No meta or anything else to go off. Just because of the apparent game balance, I suspect a two man mafia team which means he most likely wouldn't be mafia.

Retaliation (likely town): Has been open and honest about his actions (i.e. visiting Irishman).

 

And since I'm now siding with town...

##vote ChopBam

[Retaliation]

Ah, I can see why you were worried about being targeted by mafia.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

I like these reads. I'll be doing a little sanity check on your claims vs. Chopbam. Any contradictions you think I might find because you've been hiding this information?

[iLikeToSnipe]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I like these reads. I'll be doing a little sanity check on your claims vs. Chopbam. Any contradictions you think I might find because you've been hiding this information?

What do you mean by contradictions? ChopBam was bussed or something?

[OrangeP47]

I feel bad for not pushing Chop today and being so focused on you, but he was actually someone I wanted to push more.  He's someone that's claimed not moving, which puts him in the suspicious pile, and he's been very obstinate, which rubbed me the wrong way... which was my previous reasoning.

[iLikeToSnipe]

Just now, OrangeP47 said:

I feel bad for not pushing Chop today and being so focused on you, but he was actually someone I wanted to push more.  He's someone that's claimed not moving, which puts him in the suspicious pile, and he's been very obstinate, which rubbed me the wrong way... which was my previous reasoning.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

Just now, iLikeToSnipe said:

What do you mean by contradictions? ChopBam was bussed or something?

Well, the info you've just given us tells us that you have known since D2 that a roleblock was in play, and that Chopbam did it. I'm wondering if you think you may have said anything to that might suggest you didn't know those things in the time between D2 and now, trying to hide that you knew it.

[OrangeP47]

Just now, iLikeToSnipe said:

Like seriously, I don't expect anyone to believe me now, but if nobody wanted to get you today, I was gonna case Chop.

[iLikeToSnipe]

2 minutes ago, Retaliation said:

Ah, I can see why you were worried about being targeted by mafia.

That's what I've been trying to hint at.

I either need to toe the neutral line all game or end up picking a side. But I have no way of protecting myself and I don't "mechanically" win by dying.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Well, the info you've just given us tells us that you have known since D2 that a roleblock was in play, and that Chopbam did it. I'm wondering if you think you may have said anything to that might suggest you didn't know those things in the time between D2 and now, trying to hide that you knew it.

Or, thinking the opposite direction, did you leave any hints that about these?

[Mojoman]

Hi.

[Mojoman]

So are we winning yet?

[OrangeP47]

Just now, Mojoman said:

So are we winning yet?

[Retaliation]

So we're looking at a Chopbam and Mojo/Orange scum team then. Have to say I wouldn't be surprised about Orange. The man hasn't found a neutral claim he didn't want to lynch this game. 

Just now, Mojoman said:

So are we winning yet?

R U scum?

[Category 5 Hurricane]

2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

Like seriously, I don't expect anyone to believe me now, but if nobody wanted to get you today, I was gonna case Chop.

As I've been going through my reread, I did notice that when Chopbam did contribute, it often wasn't particularly contributive. Sometimes just popping in to make a joke.

[Mojoman]

Just now, OrangeP47 said:

Uh oh. Well give me a few.

[iLikeToSnipe]

1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Well, the info you've just given us tells us that you have known since D2 that a roleblock was in play, and that Chopbam did it. I'm wondering if you think you may have said anything to that might suggest you didn't know those things in the time between D2 and now, trying to hide that you knew it.

My strategy has been to subtly hint I can do something useful during the night (i.e. get information) and that I will side with whoever helps me survive. But if I straight up give away what I know, then I lose what's my main tool to stay alive.

Obviously I wasn't going to out and say what I knew, I'm not town. But I also didn't want to hint at it too much. So I did hint at the possibility of Shade being targeted by mafia and a TP, but I didn't push it because that would reveal I actually knew something.