[GAME OVER- ATREIDES VICTORY] Battle for Dune Mafia 1

[Louis]

What I don't get is that you guys are voting for Irish because you don't trust thay he was able to check Chopbam's alignment? I just think that you are looking for something that probably isn't there. 

[Shade939]

3 minutes ago, Louis said:

What I don't get is that you guys are voting for Irish because you don't trust thay he was able to check Chopbam's alignment? I just think that you are looking for something that probably isn't there. 

There's a stronger case against Category 5 if Irish is lynched first revealing his alignment, but if everyone else is already convinced I don't mind going for him now.

##Vote Category 5 Hurricane

[Category 5 Hurricane]

I'm just going to go with my gut here and say that Jeod was the one doing the NK, got swapped back to himself, and that's why the NK didn't happen. Since that means he targeted Irishman, that would evidently make him clear. Jeod claimed to be passing an item, and Shade claimed Jeod had three items and that he's geared to counter town roles, of which there happens to be 3. This sounds like he accidentally revealed too much.

##vote Shade939

[Shade939]

10 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I'm just going to go with my gut here and say that Jeod was the one doing the NK, got swapped back to himself, and that's why the NK didn't happen. Since that means he targeted Irishman, that would evidently make him clear. Jeod claimed to be passing an item, and Shade claimed Jeod had three items and that he's geared to counter town roles, of which there happens to be 3. This sounds like he accidentally revealed too much.

##vote Shade939

We already discussed how your ability wouldn't have worked if Jeod had an item to counter it.

[Shade939]

He wouldn't fall for an ability he knew was in game, and would have absolutely no reason to claim he was jailed.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

8 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

He wouldn't fall for an ability he knew was in game, and would have absolutely no reason to claim he was jailed.

That is contradictory. If you assume that Jeod cannot have been fooled by my role because of his items, then he also cannot have been stopped by Louis. It doesn't work both ways.

[Shade939]

6 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

That is contradictory. If you assume that Jeod cannot have been fooled by my role because of his items, then he also cannot have been stopped by Louis. It doesn't work both ways.

Not at all even remotely accurate. At a minimum Jeod would have to know someone can redirect his actions. And you don't have the same ability do you?

And I'm ignoring everything that I did to get Jeod lynched yesterday by the way, because there'd be no point in having thus conversation at all then.

[Retaliation]

So what are the ways in which the N1 kill fails? I can think of 

Irish was scum and blocked.

Scum targeted Irish.

[Retaliation]

I think it's most likely Irish.

##vote TheIrishMan

[Retaliation]

I think if either Cat5 or Shade were scum they would have spent much more time focusing on Irish being blocked and the lack of kill rather than let the conversation steer toward Jeod.

[Shade939]

Just now, Retaliation said:

I think if either Cat5 or Shade were scum they would have spent much more time focusing on Irish being blocked and the lack of kill rather than let the conversation steer toward Jeod.

I did that, not Category 5, he wanted to vote Irish first..

[Shade939]

But Jeod kind of dug himself a hole, instead of accidentally claiming he was roleblocked or should I say jailed.

[Shade939]

There's a particular post where Category 5 gets mad at Jeod claiming he was jailed, when if he had stayed quite, Irish would have been the only player to claim to be roleblocked.

[Shade939]

From my view point, it seems like Category 5 was trying to push the lynch unto Irish instead of Jeod. Which raises my question of how was Irish actually jailed by Category 5?

[Retaliation]

20 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

I did that, not Category 5, he wanted to vote Irish first..

Yeah because Irish was roleblocked on a night we had no kill. That's natural. He also didn't go hard on Irish and let Irish defend himself. 

 

[Shade939]

1 minute ago, Retaliation said:

Yeah because Irish was roleblocked on a night we had no kill. That's natural. He also didn't go hard on Irish and let Irish defend himself. 

 

And what is his role claim?

[Retaliation]

8 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

And what is his role claim?

Don't know, he's also not the one throwing out ideas like conversion abilities in an 8 player game.

[Shade939]

2 minutes ago, Retaliation said:

Don't know, he's also not the one throwing out ideas like conversion abilities in an 8 player game.

Of course you don't, Jeod's the one who claimed his role ability for him.

[Retaliation]

Just now, Shade939 said:

Of course you don't, Jeod's the one who claimed his role ability for him.

And did cat5 ever say Jeod was right?

[Shade939]

2 minutes ago, Retaliation said:

And did cat5 ever say Jeod was right?

Indeed he did. Although, rereading it, it does seem like he believed it to be a gambit in catching Jeod knowing extra information about his role. Which I would assume would be because he was talking with Irish in the scum doc, but a simple answer is also that Category 5 told him and he was trying to cover up the mistake.

Which I do find to be particularly frustrating, since it seems contradictory to all of his behavior so far. At a minimum, he should have been going after Irish and focusing on him, instead of going through a list of basically all of the other players in game and me debating with him why they were cleared. That's a standard scum tactic, to keep your lynch options open.

[Shade939]

Not to mention, if we can establish that the vote is between him and Irish, then claiming his own role and ability to see if it makes sense would be the Town thing to do wouldn't it?

[Shade939]

Especially, after Scum Jeod already outed his ability to everyone didn't he?

[Retaliation]

2 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

Not to mention, if we can establish that the vote is between him and Irish, then claiming his own role and ability to see if it makes sense would be the Town thing to do wouldn't it?

Not if he's been dishonest about his role to screw with scum.

[Retaliation]

Just now, Retaliation said:

Not if he's been dishonest about his role to screw with scum.

This also assumes that he thinks it's likely we mislynch.

[Shade939]

Just now, Retaliation said:

Not if he's been dishonest about his role to screw with scum.

The only way for Category 5 to be Town, is if he's a bus driver, so Louis didn't role blocked her intended target of Jeod and stopped the NK.

[Retaliation]

3 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

The only way for Category 5 to be Town, is if he's a bus driver, so Louis didn't role blocked her intended target of Jeod and stopped the NK.

If that's the only way for him to be town, why are you so interested in his role? You think scum cat5 is going to not lie?

[Shade939]

Just now, Retaliation said:

If that's the only way for him to be town, why are you so interested in his role? You think scum cat5 is going to not lie?

How well do you think he can lie in this setting?

[Shade939]

Also, requiring him to be a bus driver is probably pushing things a bit too far, but it's not that far off what he would have to be.

[Category 5 Hurricane]

9 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

The only way for Category 5 to be Town, is if he's a bus driver, so Louis didn't role blocked her intended target of Jeod and stopped the NK.

It's almost like that is exactly what happened, and you know it.

[Retaliation]

17 minutes ago, Shade939 said:

How well do you think he can lie in this setting?

Ah you're asking for flavor.