Shade939 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 So, for this current turn, Retal can't actually deal damage to Voe since he doens't have a defense score? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 No. Basically if voe has no way to stop me from counter attacking, I'll deal 9*roll damage to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Retaliation said: No. Basically if voe has no way to stop me from counter attacking, I'll deal 9*roll damage to him. From what I gather, you can only counterattack from a neutral stance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 If the Defender successfully defends against the attacker (his Defence is greater than Attack), and he has an attack value greater than the attacker's defense, he can counterattack back. From the duel tutorial. Voe has an attack of zero, I have a defense of zero. I don't know if being equal is important. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm curious about what sort of effect it would have on game play if you gave an offensive stance a defense value of 1 so you could attempt to counterattack characters with 0 defense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: I'm curious about what sort of effect it would have on game play if you gave an offensive stance a defense value of 1 so you could attempt to counterattack characters with 0 defense? mafia edit: 0 offense not defense, it would make sense if you could also counterattack with an offensive stance if your opponent wasn't threatening you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Shade939 said: mafia edit: 0 offense not defense, it would make sense if you could also counterattack with an offensive stance if your opponent wasn't threatening you. Yea this is why I was reluctant to give offensive and defensive stances even one point of attack/ defense points so that they could be still valid in situations like these. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, Retaliation said: If the Defender successfully defends against the attacker (his Defence is greater than Attack), and he has an attack value greater than the attacker's defense, he can counterattack back. From the duel tutorial. Voe has an attack of zero, I have a defense of zero. I don't know if being equal is important. Well let's resolve to find out, shall we? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, VERTi60 said: Yea this is why I was reluctant to give offensive and defensive stances even one point of attack/ defense points so that they could be still valid in situations like these. Yeah, I can see the obvious balancing issues that could pop up immediately, but I find it a bit odd that your character can rest instead of attacking and your opponent can't take advantage of the situation immediately if they're in the offensive stance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 For a better explanation, I'll show you two possible situations that can arise. The first situation could be that voe's very lucky and Retaliation would roll a 0, which means his attack would be also 0: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 In that case Turn 4 would end up no one attacking anyone, and only stamina would change. Voe would recover, but Retaliation would be now in scarcity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Turn 5 would start very similar, no one could attack anyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just to make certain, but if you entered a defensive stance while your opponent was in an offensive stance, then your opponent would counter attack your character like Retal did for Voe when he entered Centered of Being? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Turn 6 and 7 could be decisive, but voe only rolled 5 during turn 6, which is not enough to finish Retaliation. In turn 7, @Retaliation needs to select the Stance and/or Maneuver. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Just to make certain, but if you entered a defensive stance while your opponent was in an offensive stance, then your opponent would counter attack your character like Retal did for Voe when he entered Centered of Being? I'll show it after we resolve this first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I'm back from some shopping. ##offensive stance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 GG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Ok let's get back to this situation during Turn 4: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 What do you guys think should happen if Retal rolls anything other than 0? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 There's so much RNG involved in this...GG FRAYDO. From what it looks like, you're better off going in a default stance more often since you will be both given the chance to counterattack and decrease the dmg through defense, while still getting a decent hit in if your opponent is in offense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 He'll kill Voe since Voe has no defense whatsoever and only 2 life left and the minimum Retal could deal is 9. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, VERTi60 said: What do you guys think should happen if Retal rolls anything other than 0? Instant death. Just now, TheIrishman said: There's so much RNG involved in this...GG FRAYDO. From what it looks like, you're better off going in a default stance more often since you will be both given the chance to counterattack and decrease the dmg through defense, while still getting a decent hit in if your opponent is in offense. In most cases yes, not only that but it's the least stamina intensive stance to maintain so it should be your default stance. But once you deal some damage to your opponent, your odds of killing them by entering an offensive stance significantly increase like Retal did once he could attack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 But the question is. Can you counter attack someone who has not attacked at all? This is not a miss, Voe isn't technically attacking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Then you basically spend 60 stamina to do one strong attack compared to 40 stamina to do 2 weaker attacks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Unless you can't counter attack center or defense stances at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Let's change the situation a bit on this example: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERTi60 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 On the above, voe is doing Defensive stance. Should he still get counter-attacked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, VERTi60 said: But the question is. Can you counter attack someone who has not attacked at all? This is not a miss, Voe isn't technically attacking. I say no counter attack if someone didn't attack. Just let it go to the next turn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, VERTi60 said: But the question is. Can you counter attack someone who has not attacked at all? This is not a miss, Voe isn't technically attacking. If that's the case, then should the opponent wait for them to recover their stamina? But we're treating it as turn based, the way I understand it is: SP - Standby Phase, A - Attack Phase, Counterattack* The Standby Phase is the start of your turn where you can edit your stance and choose your actions The Attack Phase is where the actual result takes place And Counterattack is optional depending if your opponent's defense is higher than your attack. If you don't attack, then there is no Counterattack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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