OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: It can't be a result of any investigative action, so he's basing that vote on something I said, I guess. Are you first alphabetically, disregarding himself? 0 Quote
Jeod Posted November 10, 2020 Author Report Posted November 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Anon_Kat said: ##vote Category5 3 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Frankly I'm guessing that he might have been pushed to participate and couldn't think of anything, so he just voted for the guy who talked to him, and then ran off. 0 Quote
Killing_You Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 @Anon_Katcare to come and explain your position? 0 Quote
Anon_Kat Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 I am trying to avenge my Mentor! I don't know who to pick I just saw a list of suspects. 5 hours ago, TheIrishman said: Players Role Character Day One Night One Day Two Night Two Items Irish Chocolate Factory Willy Wonka nothing nothing Cat5 ? ? nothing ? Fraydo Dead Kurosensei nothing Died Orange Defensive immobile character nothing nothing? Shade Experimenter? Phyrexian? nothing Blocked? Attacked? Louis ? ? nothing ? Retal Unstoppable ? nothing Visited Irish Kat ? ? nothing ? iLTS ? Imposter Vented ? Mojo Buffer? ? Lynchproof on Orange ? Chop Item Giver? ? nothing ? KY Unsure Shenron nothing ? 0 Quote
Jeod Posted November 10, 2020 Author Report Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anon_Kat said: I am trying to avenge my Mentor! I don't know who to pick I just saw a list of suspects. Everyone is sus. 0 Quote
iLikeToSnipe Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Jeod said: Everyone is sus. Jeod is sus 0 Quote
Jeod Posted November 10, 2020 Author Report Posted November 10, 2020 But real talk, you shouldn't blindly vote anyone. You need to follow the discussion and form your opinion based on that. Critical thinking is required in these games. When you place a vote, you should always accompany it with a reason. 1 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 I'm reminded of the time on Mafia Universe where someone argued, and showed statistical proof, that voting randomly is better than doing actual case work. He was Mafia. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: I'm reminded of the time on Mafia Universe where someone argued, and showed statistical proof, that voting randomly is better than doing actual case work. He was Mafia. My champs game, the setup, everyone vanilla in a 15 player game except 2 JOATs. D1 one player is like "optimal strategy is for both Joats to claim and protect eachother to form town core" He also claims JOAT (and was one). A townie fake claims joat. Actual second JOAT flips the hell out and we're in a mess. 0 Quote
iLikeToSnipe Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: I'm reminded of the time on Mafia Universe where someone argued, and showed statistical proof, that voting randomly is better than doing actual case work. He was Mafia. 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: My champs game, the setup, everyone vanilla in a 15 player game except 2 JOATs. D1 one player is like "optimal strategy is for both Joats to claim and protect eachother to form town core" He also claims JOAT (and was one). A townie fake claims joat. Actual second JOAT flips the hell out and we're in a mess. aka not having fun playing a game 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, iLikeToSnipe said: aka not having fun playing a game To be fair at champs you want to advance. The guy who said JOATs claim did advance. 0 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Yeah, those guys play the same games so often that they lean more on statistical analysis than actual mind games. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: Yeah, those guys play the same games so often that they lean more on statistical analysis than actual mind games. Oh, they have plenty of mind games. Those mind games are "Orange scum slipped, get him!" 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Oh, they have plenty of mind games. Those mind games are "Orange scum slipped, get him!" Actually my champs game was the first game I played over there where I wasn't scum read, it was kind of refreshing. 0 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 In the one game I actually played there, I got yelled at when I was the Town Vig and didn't use my night kill to resolve a tied lynch by killing the one who didn't get lynched. I looked at it and decided that they were both town, so I went after a different target. They went on and on about it during and after the game, complaining I made an inoptimal kill by not doing the "right kill" 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said: In the one game I actually played there, I got yelled at when I was the Town Vig and didn't use my night kill to resolve a tied lynch by killing the one who didn't get lynched. I looked at it and decided that they were both town, so I went after a different target. They went on and on about it during and after the game, complaining I made an inoptimal kill by not doing the "right kill" Honestly it depends on who you're talking to. There are people there who say do that all the time, and then there are people there who say never do that, so it really just depends on who was in that specific game. 0 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 It was funny, the Mafia team went here to read the games I played, and decided I wasn't the vig, because I "play too smart" to make such a stupid kill. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 In fact I'm pretty sure the current meta is to NOT resolve ties because I've been yelled at for suggesting it. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Probably on a yearly basis you have a new meta over there, but currently there's a strong bias towards "just vote/shoot whoever's the most scummy", which tbh isn't bad. 0 Quote
iLikeToSnipe Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Mafia Universe definitely sounds unfun to me, imo... Why are you bringing statistical analysis into a game about deception and logic? Fucking nerds... 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Mafia Universe definitely sounds unfun to me, imo... Why are you bringing statistical analysis into a game about deception and logic? Fucking nerds... I mean, I have a degree with a stats component, so I statify everything. 0 Quote
iLikeToSnipe Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I mean, I have a degree with a stats component, so I statify everything. Statistical analysis can be very informative in a lot of things, it's incredibly useful. But I just find it sucks the fun out of stuff if you use it to try and "solve" a game. 0 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Mafia Universe definitely sounds unfun to me, imo... Why are you bringing statistical analysis into a game about deception and logic? Fucking nerds... I did watch several games, but there are a few reasons why I never became a regular player there. The playstyle was just one of them. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Statistical analysis can be very informative in a lot of things, it's incredibly useful. But I just find it sucks the fun out of stuff if you use it to try and "solve" a game. You should Asimov's Foundation series. 1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said: I did watch several games, but there are a few reasons why I never became a regular player there. The playstyle was just one of them. I mean, they also host Mashes, where everyone's a vig, no one reads the thread, and instead of trying to win everyone just takes pot shots at their friends. 0 Quote
iLikeToSnipe Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: You should Asimov's Foundation series. One of the best science fiction series imo. I personally play games to blow of steam and relax from work/real life. It's why I've turned down chances to do anything competitively in games. Once you get into that, the goal isn't to have fun it's to win and earn a prize. Statistical analysis of matches, units, weapons, etc can be eye opening and show you a better way to play (maybe even the best way). But I enjoy figuring that out through my own trial and error, and using options that feel fun rather than ones that are the most effective. Same goes for Mafia, it's just another game for me. I like trying out new things, going for crazy gambits/strats, and just seeing how I can have fun. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: One of the best science fiction series imo. I personally play games to blow of steam and relax from work/real life. It's why I've turned down chances to do anything competitively in games. Once you get into that, the goal isn't to have fun it's to win and earn a prize. Statistical analysis of matches, units, weapons, etc can be eye opening and show you a better way to play (maybe even the best way). But I enjoy figuring that out through my own trial and error, and using options that feel fun rather than ones that are the most effective. Same goes for Mafia, it's just another game for me. I like trying out new things, going for crazy gambits/strats, and just seeing how I can have fun. I mean, just because I use stats doesn't mean I'm locked into one way of thinking. I'm a notorious gambler too, after all. 0 Quote
iLikeToSnipe Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, OrangeP47 said: I mean, just because I use stats doesn't mean I'm locked into one way of thinking. I'm a notorious gambler too, after all. I guess I should clarify, I don't think you're doing anything "anti-fun" lol But going "statistically... " and arguing for voting random just on a statistical analysis of all votes sounds anti-fun to me. 0 Quote
OrangeP47 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: I guess I should clarify, I don't think you're doing anything "anti-fun" lol But going "statistically... " and arguing for voting random just on a statistical analysis of all votes sounds anti-fun to me. Well given Cat 5 said he was mafia, it was probably a mafia gambit to get people to not vote him because he was scummy, and the stats were bunk. 0 Quote
Category5 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Posted November 10, 2020 I don't remember all the details, but I think it was Day 1, and the guy opened up showing proof that Town lynches Mafia on Day 1 at a lower rate than the percentage of Mafia in the game. Therefore if everyone commits to voting random, they'll have a better chance to lynch Mafia. He wound up swaying some people to his argument, but the other half of the players didn't agree and had a big fight over it. And yeah, if I recall, he earned some town credit for trying to metagame in a way that he "proved" was town-favorable, and won the game off of it. 0 Quote
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