Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: That's my bad, I'm super tired and just used to the "magic 10 number" of mafia signups. That only changes the odds though, not the logic. The odds are more a important detail when the game has potential to end on Night 3. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: That's my bad, I'm super tired and just used to the "magic 10 number" of mafia signups. That only changes the odds though, not the logic. It changes the whole perspective on no lynch. Without no lynch, we were two days away from 50/50. With no lynch we were 3 days. That's vital in a game this small, and honestly was one of the major tipping points for my decision to support no lynch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: It changes the whole perspective on no lynch. Without no lynch, we were two days away from 50/50. With no lynch we were 3 days. That's vital in a game this small, and honestly was one of the major tipping points for my decision to support no lynch. If our time is so vital why were you in favor of an early no lynch? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 And like, no lynch wasn't even my idea originally, someone else proposed it. I think I'm being unfairly characterized by supporting it when it wasn't even my idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: If our time is so vital why were you in favor of an early no lynch? Because no lynch gives us more time for a cop role to work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: Because no lynch gives us more time for a cop role to work. Not just a cop role, but for any Town ability to work. Of course, it kinda backfires when Scum actually manage to hit one of the power roles that helps make it a viable strategy in the first place... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Going back, Jeod was the first to bring up No Lynch, and Nodlied discussed it before I joined in, so I was in fact the THIRD person to consider No Lynch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: And like, no lynch wasn't even my idea originally, someone else proposed it. I think I'm being unfairly characterized by supporting it when it wasn't even my idea. I'm not accusing you of being the first to support a nolynch. Just supporting an early no lynch. The early part is the key difference there. 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: Because no lynch gives us more time for a cop role to work. A nolynch itself can do that, but not an early nolynch. I can't think of a single benefit to a D1 early nolynch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 If we didn't do it early this game, we weren't doing it at all. D2 is still early and it's all we would have had. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 The longer you take the more skeptical you make me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, TheIrishman said: The longer you take the more skeptical you make me. Why do I think you’re searching for a counterclaim or something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 I guarantee I'm not, but it feels like you're doing some searching yourself. Can you please just answer the question? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: I'm not accusing you of being the first to support a nolynch. Just supporting an early no lynch. The early part is the key difference there. A nolynch itself can do that, but not an early nolynch. I can't think of a single benefit to a D1 early nolynch. I do see the page you’re referring to, but I’m at work for the next hour so can’t make a good comment on it. I’ll say however that I do agree with you, but I’m on the fence still about whether it would be wise to pursue the matter today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, TheIrishman said: I guarantee I'm not, but it feels like you're doing some searching yourself. Can you please just answer the question? I’m at work, no time to search. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Then do you plan on revealing who you are since your role is already out there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, TheIrishman said: Then do you plan on revealing who you are since your role is already out there? Tell you what. Put it to a vote. I’ll check it when I get home. In the meantime, you should make your case as to why I should reveal my character. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 I'll preface this by saying I don't think EVERYONE should reveal. I think we might need to be a bit tight currently. That said, given what Jeod has revealed already, I don't think there's too much harm in *him personally* revealing who he is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Hint: It’s from Jessica Jones (apparently). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 You are making this far more difficult than it needs to be and it just seems like you're stalling. This should be a basics game so flavor shouldn't be very important, which is one of the reasons I gave such an obvious hint towards my character, yet you believe otherwise. I already told you why I wanted to know. There are only 3 characters that I could see as a drunk, 2 Town, 1 Scum. By asking you for minor details, I wanted to see if I could derive who your character might be without you being able to spend time to find a cover. But, unfortunately, you were very defensive on what shouldn't be important information for a Town player to reveal. I already know who your character should be from Jessica Jones but I'm not sure if I care about your answer at this point because of your defensiveness and how long it took you to respond seems fairly sketchy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 I'll also take my vote off Nodlied for now. Current events are much more interesting. ##unvote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 40 minutes ago, TheIrishman said: You are making this far more difficult than it needs to be and it just seems like you're stalling. This should be a basics game so flavor shouldn't be very important, which is one of the reasons I gave such an obvious hint towards my character, yet you believe otherwise. I already told you why I wanted to know. There are only 3 characters that I could see as a drunk, 2 Town, 1 Scum. By asking you for minor details, I wanted to see if I could derive who your character might be without you being able to spend time to find a cover. But, unfortunately, you were very defensive on what shouldn't be important information for a Town player to reveal. I already know who your character should be from Jessica Jones but I'm not sure if I care about your answer at this point because of your defensiveness and how long it took you to respond seems fairly sketchy. That's your reason? If I were scum I'd have spent the entire first day thinking about my cover--and, especially after I came right out the gate with my claim, would definitely have been more confident about revealing it. My response to your initial question of if my character was asian or blind would have been a simple yes/no. I haven't spent time researching anything about my character or any others. The only importance flavor really plays in this game is for counterclaims, since no player can be the same character. I even asked about that. But hey, if it's that important that it gets out there, I'm willing to tell, but on the condition that the majority want it out there. Now, let's get back to your side of things. 4 hours ago, TheIrishman said: Hence why I italicized the "know." According to what we know you can't both can't be Scum provided what we know is the truth. But I don't think it's likely that both of you are Scum, since there's all sorts of abilities you'd have to be certain didn't target you, Orange, or your potential target during the night when you lead with the first post (like ability cop, tracker, or watcher), but it is more likely that you're Scum than Orange being so since RB is a very common Scum role and you come out ahead by "clearing" Orange from being a suspect. I'm mainly trying to determine if you're trustworthy enough because you've been so forthright. Is your character male or female, Jeod? Excuse me, "all sorts of abilities", in a basics game? While it's true that RB is more commonly found on scum than town, what makes you think we have more rare roles like ability cop? Additionally, why would that have any bearing on my decision to come out and say Orange can't be the killer? I've been so forthright because I, like Orange, consider the odds in a smaller game. Time is of the essence: the sooner positive information comes out, the less opportunity scum have to spin it. For example, there's no fear of MYLO today, whereas if I'd revealed tomorrow that Orange couldn't have killed, scum would probably be going "baw you're just trying to keep your partner off the lynch table on mylo, baw". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Family calls tonight, so I'll be off until the morning, but Irish everything you've said so far looks like scum trying to figure out a plan to get around the "strong townread" who has you in his top three for the day. Heck, it'd be super neat if I had both scum in my list, but that's not my focus right now. I'm Malcom Ducasse, and I think I have my decision. ##vote TheIrishMan We'll see what the next 9 hours bring. Goodnight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jeod said: Family calls tonight, so I'll be off until the morning, but Irish everything you've said so far looks like scum trying to figure out a plan to get around the "strong townread" who has you in his top three for the day. Heck, it'd be super neat if I had both scum in my list, but that's not my focus right now. I'm Malcom Ducasse, and I think I have my decision. ##vote TheIrishMan We'll see what the next 9 hours bring. Goodnight. Ummm..... I'm Malcom Ducasse.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Ruh roh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: Ummm..... I'm Malcom Ducasse.... Who apparently is more of a drug addict than an alcoholic also... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: Who apparently is more of a drug addict than an alcoholic also... That's why I'm my avatar. When you said tie it in to myself and my character, I looked up orange flavored drugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sunflower said: Ruh roh! Also, I feel like you're missing the best part of that qoute... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Saying what you'd do as Scum doesn't assure me (nor does it seem to assure anyone because I've used this defense as both Town and Scum with adverse effects). You seemed to have a fairly lazy or nonchalant approach to this game so even if you were Scum, there's a chance you wouldn't have done much research. A chance is better than nothing. >.> Again, our last Back to Basics had some unusual abilities so it's hard for me to narrow down the list of abilities too much. Because under the assumption that you're both Scum, if those abilities existed then if anyone of them targeted the correct target, you'd both be immediately found out. If there was a tracker that tracked you while you did the kill, it'd be game over for you two. If the tracker targeted Orange but he still ended up doing anything, it'd be over. If there was a watcher on Cat5 that saw you or Orange, you'd both be done. If there was an ability cop that saw you use a different ability or Orange using an ability at all, you'd both be done. So if you didn't actually RB Orange, but still decided to come out and say that you did, you run the risk of both of you being caught. Therefore it's not very likely that you're both scum. And you're Malcom Ducasse? Looks like there's a counterclaim, something you were trying to avoid Jeod :b ##vote Jeod There were actually 3 potential Townies you could've been with only 1 potential scum, but the only true drunk in this game could be Zhou Cheng, a master of the Drunken Fist. The other possibilities were Jessica Jones, Malcom Ducasse, and Stick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted October 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, OrangeP47 said: ##unvote 16 minutes ago, Jeod said: ##vote TheIrishMan Votes counted. CVC: Jeod voted TheIrishMan OrangeP47 voted nobody Nodlied voted nobody Shade939 voted nobody TheIrishMan voted nobody iLikeToSnipe voted nobody Sunflower voted nobody TheIrishMan has the majority. (1 vote) Time Left: 19h 3m 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIrishman Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 I should clarify that Zhou Cheng is the sworn protector of The Hand, which is essentially an evil Chinese syndicate, A.K.A. Scum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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