ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 From what FRAYDO tells me, @iLikeToSnipe was 100% set on me being scum, and from his posts in the thread, I wouldn't doubt it. Then Cat5 flips town and everything's good? I'm having some trouble buying it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: Because I was totally convinced and was wrong, FRAYDO found the rules actually mentioning random items, and I've been working pretty much the entire time since this day started (currently working for my employer and myself on a side gig). So, I haven't had enough time to do much besides stay up to date this day. I was trying to offer alternate explanations and you just flat-out weren't listening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, ChopBam said: From what FRAYDO tells me, @iLikeToSnipe was 100% set on me being scum, and from his posts in the thread, I wouldn't doubt it. Then Cat5 flips town and everything's good? I'm having some trouble buying it. The majority of my suspicions were due to the 1-UP. Also, I've never said you aren't still on my scum list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, ChopBam said: I was trying to offer alternate explanations and you just flat-out weren't listening. I listened to them and didn't think they were plausible. I've said that several times already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, iLikeToSnipe said: The majority of my suspicions were due to the 1-UP. Also, I've never said you aren't still on my scum list. From what it seems like, I'm just another regular scum list player though. Not higher or lower than the others. Yesterday you were like Jeod's current avatar in earnestness, all from something completely unproven. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, ChopBam said: From what it seems like, I'm just another regular scum list player though. Not higher or lower than the others. Yesterday you were like Jeod's current avatar in earnestness, all from something completely unproven. I'm starting to feel like I'm talking with Shade... Yesterday: didn't know about the random item rule Today: knowing about the random item rule removes the biggest reason I had to be suspicious of you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, iLikeToSnipe said: I'm starting to feel like I'm talking with Shade... Ooooh that hurts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, ChopBam said: Ooooh that hurts. Is there a smart bomb in my future? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Yesterday: didn't know about the random item rule Today: knowing about the random item rule removes the biggest reason I had to be suspicious of you I asked you to allow for the possibility that there's something in the game you might not be aware of, which was extremely likely. Your response was to ignore that, in a huge way by continuing with your tunneling, ad infinitum. The question I'm asking myself is whether this crosses the line of incredulity, or if I should really give you the benefit of the doubt now. Whether your earnestness this entire game has been all true or just an act. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Is there a smart bomb in my future? If I had left the mask intact, would you have considered stealing it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChopBam said: I asked you to allow for the possibility that there's something in the game you might not be aware of, which was extremely likely. Your response was to ignore that, in a huge way by continuing with your tunneling, ad infinitum. The question I'm asking myself is whether this crosses the line of incredulity, or if I should really give you the benefit of the doubt now. Whether your earnestness this entire game has been all true or just an act. Well, I thought I nailed the scum team. But if I'd bothered to read the rules we probably wouldn't have lynched Cat5 and bagged scum. So I kind of feel like a dunce right now... 3 minutes ago, ChopBam said: If I had left the mask intact, would you have considered stealing it? Probably not. Cause I don't trust Mojo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Well, I thought I nailed the scum team. But if I'd bothered to read the rules we probably wouldn't have lynched Cat5 and bagged scum. So I kind of feel like a dunce right now... That's fair enough, I had a lot of dunce moments this game too. So I'll leave it alone, for now. 1 minute ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Probably not. Cause I don't trust Mojo. I don't either, although he did admit that he holds something which could cause a nightkill. Would you suspect he admitted (as possible scum) to having the smart bomb just to gain townie points? This is some 4D chess... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, ChopBam said: I don't either, although he did admit that he holds something which could cause a nightkill. Would you suspect he admitted (as possible scum) to having the smart bomb just to gain townie points? This is some 4D chess... Possibly, his original target can't be verified. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Gaining townie points is a weak argument as I said earlier guys. Come to think of it, @ChopBam why admit you had the smart bomb? You had the option to pass it and then you'd be able to detonate it N7, killing a potential scum read, or you could have just held and destroyed it. There's no benefit I can see to you sharing you had it, not even to gain townie points. The reason I asked is because I had no idea where it went, so detonating it would have been a fools errand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, iLikeToSnipe said: Possibly, his original target can't be verified. I think Shade confirm N1 he was blocked by Mojoman, which means we need some explanation for Verti's kill, since I blocked Orange. Unless of course Louis unblocked Orange and just pretended to take no action. She did cast a vote on Mojo yesterday though if I'm not mistaken. Just now, Mojoman said: You had the option to pass it and then you'd be able to detonate it N7, killing a potential scum read, or you could have just held and destroyed it. I have no indication that I'll be able to detonate it after passing it. Just that it's beeping, and that I can pass it or destroy it. And the way the smart bombs worked in Smash, if you destroy them up close, they hit you. So I may not wish to try destroying it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, ChopBam said: I have no indication that I'll be able to detonate it after passing it. Just that it's beeping, and that I can pass it or destroy it. And the way the smart bombs worked in Smash, if you destroy them up close, they hit you. So I may not wish to try destroying it. Well I'll blame Jeod for lack of explaining that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 So hot take, you can pass and detonate it the night after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 What I'm getting out of this is that I may not get a chance to pass it, because you could detonate it on me tonight. Is that correct? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ChopBam said: What I'm getting out of this is that I may not get a chance to pass it, because you could detonate it on me tonight. Is that correct? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 But I've got no reason to do that right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 I can feel the dead doc laughing at us because there's something super obvious we missed. Urgh... Right now, my gut is telling me iLikeToSnipe is likely scum. Why? I don't know. He's on third and I don't care. All I have right now is a gut feeling, and I don't think I'm comfortable with a gut feeling. If anyone else has some ideas, now's the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Especially not when the holder has his 1Up, rendering your explosion useless. It would take ChopBam out of the night however, and if that were to happen and D6 starts with a NK, we can safely assume he is not responsible. Not something I am keen on testing though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, FRAYDO said: Especially not when the holder has his 1Up, rendering your explosion useless. It would take ChopBam out of the night however, and if that were to happen and D6 starts with a NK, we can safely assume he is not responsible. Not something I am keen on testing though. Same here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoman Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 We also have the star and rapier to contend with. Though I forget what the rapier does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Mojoman said: We also have the star and rapier to contend with. Though I forget what the rapier does. Rapier roleblocks anyone who visits the holder. Probably best that one stay hidden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRAYDO Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 hours ago, ChopBam said: Somebody had to NK Shade on N3, unless there was some delayed kill. I know it wasn't Louis Solving the N3 NK is the key to nailing scum today. This is the only method I see that currently can implicate someone. Let's review the N3 claims. FRAYDO - Masonry with iLTS, boosted by KY iLTS - Forced mask onto Chopbam, masonry with FRAYDO Killing You - Boosted FRAYDO ChopBam - Inhaled Louis, failed to pass mask Mojoman - No claims Louis - Inhaled by ChopBam Cat5 - Danced for Shade This then leads us to mark off those who cannot have done the NK. FRAYDO - Masonry with iLTS, boosted by KY iLTS - Forced mask onto Chopbam, masonry with FRAYDO Killing You - Boosted FRAYDO ChopBam - Inhaled Louis, failed to pass mask Mojoman - No claims Louis - Inhaled by ChopBam Cat5 - Danced for Shade Myself, iLTS, and Mojoman remain. My ability use was the masonry with ILTS, confirmed by both of us, and my item use would have been the Wind Waker I had stolen from me previously. iLTS forced the mask onto ChopBam. iLTS' claim is the mask action is his ability action. Mojoman claims nothing as a Vanilla role. FRAYDO iLTS Mojoman The N3 NK perpetrator then is one of these two. You will notice iLTS is still on the list, and for reasons stated below after Mojoman's case. Mojoman cannot be scum. We know he roleblocked Shade N1, and Mojo claimed the block was randomly selected. One can ask why the roleblock can be a Pro-Town ability, but conversely you can also ask how can it be a Pro-Scum ability. A randomly targeted roleblock would be hard to coordinate with a NK, unless we could know that scum could very well have been immune to their own roleblocker. I find the possibility very unlikely. My own item, the Wind Waker and its effect, could be claimed Pro-Scum as well, with its bussing results. D2 Mojoman voted for iLTS. D3 and D4 he voted for Cat5, D3's vote being locked. Considering his abilities and his voting pattern at least including iLTS once, Mojoman is looking to be Town by me. Intending to plant the bomb on Louis, we also can infer that Louis and him are not on the same team. Therefore, N3's perpetrator has to be none of than iLTS. He claimed to have forced the mask back onto ChopBam, and ChopBam too has verified being unable to move it. However, the mask action was not his ability action. On 9/25/2019 at 6:01 PM, ChopBam said: Problem is that nobody else can verify that I used a discard action for my ability. What I can't figure out is 1) why alibis are necessary, seeing that no NK happened, and 2) why iLTS thinks he's exempt from such an alibi? Your mask being destroyed was your ability night action? Is this verifiable? On 9/25/2019 at 6:03 PM, iLikeToSnipe said: With no mask I have no actions. I was actually intending on roleblocking you last night with your own ability. Looks like destroying the mask comes first... As for alibis, I'm trying to figure out why there were no night kills. Whichever reason it is could lead to different scum teams. On 9/25/2019 at 6:19 PM, FRAYDO said: From what I have gathered in the iLTS masonry, iLTS cannot control the mask and the Wind Waker in the same night. We know the Wind Waker was used last night. iLTS has claimed to me the underlined statement. If the statement is true, then we are to know that the Mask action was his item action no matter how he planned to use it. He cannot control the mask and use the Wind Waker together, and so he proposed to pass it back to me. With forcing the mask onto ChopBam being his item action, then this reveals that his ability action was free to perform the NK on Shade. N3 Shade was murdered. As I had opened with in this case, somebody had to do it. Mojoman is equally able to have been able to perform the N3 NK, but my argument for him sees him as Town. iLTS is scum and he is the one we need to nail today for the death of Shade. ##vote iLikeToSnipe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 FRAYDO you magnificent bastard. I knew I could count on you to put my feelings into words. ##vote FRAYDO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Agh, damn typo. ##vote iLikeToSnipe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FRAYDO Posted September 27, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, Killing_You said: FRAYDO you magnificent bastard. I knew I could count on you to put my feelings into words. ##vote FRAYDO UHH, THANKS???! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeToSnipe Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 I'm just about to head to bed, so I won't be able to respond until tomorrow. @FRAYDO I can't recall, did you get any PM stating that KY did boost you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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