Games [GAME OVER] Tiberian Sun: Reborn Mafia I

[Voe]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Why wouldn't you assume that it just meant I couldn't target someone else? Or, what if I was the one jailed?

Because ChopBam stated start of Day 2 that after Night 1 he feels a lot better about iLTS. iLTS being roleblocked again Night 2 reinforced us even further, given it was only ChopBam who had ever voted iLTS this whole game.

[Category5]

Would be a bad time to start a new long form mafia game.

[Jeod]

Truly was the perfect storm.

[Jeod]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Would be a bad time to start a new long form mafia game.

Likely after New Years ofc 

[Category5]

Just now, Voe said:

Because ChopBam stated start of Day 2 that after Night 1 he feels a lot better about iLTS. iLTS being roleblocked again Night 2 reinforced us even further, given it was only ChopBam who had ever voted iLTS this whole game.

I thought Chopbam was softing cop. And thinking he was softing a town investigation on iLTS, I was believing iLTS town even though my vote analysis suggested he wasn't.

[Jeod]

Post that statistical analysis so shade has a study guide.

[ChopBam]

2 minutes ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I thought Chopbam was softing cop. And thinking he was softing a town investigation on iLTS, I was believing iLTS town even though my vote analysis suggested he wasn't.

Even if I was a cop who investigated iLTS on N1, I could have been insane or he a spy.

Edit: not a spy since he fired a shot.

[Category5]

Just now, ChopBam said:

Even if I was a cop who investigated iLTS on N1, I could have been insane or he a spy.

He couldn't be a spy, he had fired a shot and it didn't jam. I tried signaling that to you, if you hadn't thought of it.

[ChopBam]

I still wonder then why Louis went crazy. Voe you could have lasted long enough for us to lynch her. I believed it.

[Retaliation]

1 minute ago, Jeod said:

In hindsight I should have shot shade. I wanted to fire on either of them to score some town cred.

I think shooting someone else would have been an even worse play there. From my perspective it screamed as toxin trooper desperate to get his attack off before something bad happened. I'd figured scum would look at the 3 previous shots with minimal blowback on people and interpret that to mean their fine to do any of their own. My only hold up was that an Irish kill was all risk little reward. I wouldn't have to explain away that problem with a kill on someone else.

[Voe]

1 minute ago, Category 5 Hurricane said:

I thought Chopbam was softing cop. And thinking he was softing a town investigation on iLTS, I was believing iLTS town even though my vote analysis suggested he wasn't.

ChopBam didn't go ballistic on iLTS Day 3 (after having potentially investigated both iLTS and himself), so we remained convinced he was the jailer.

We saw no other reason for iLTS's actions being blocked two nights in a row. Mind you, the second night we redirected ChopBam onto Retal.

[ChopBam]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

He couldn't be a spy, he had fired a shot and it didn't jam. I tried signaling that to you, if you hadn't thought of it.

I knew this during the game (as I posted earlier) but forgot it just now.

[Retaliation]

4 minutes ago, Jeod said:

Truly was the perfect storm.

I feel for you guys because it's very similar to our last game loss.

[Voe]

Just now, ChopBam said:

I still wonder then why Louis went crazy. Voe you could have lasted long enough for us to lynch her. I believed it.

I'm leaving for Christmas 2 days from now. It'd be a waste of everyone's time to prolong the game.

[Category5]

Just now, Jeod said:

Post that statistical analysis so shade has a study guide.

The voting analysis wound up being correct, but not for the reasons I was thinking.

And I pretty much included the stats in the dead doc. 46% chance Shade was Spy, 8% chance FRAYDO was Jailer, all following the math. You can't rely on it.

[ChopBam]

Just now, Voe said:

Mind you, the second night we redirected ChopBam onto Retal.

Even if I wasn't roleblocked, I'd have had no action since the tracking only works every other night. I know you couldn't have known this, but I was musing to myself how ironic it was that I was blocked on my "off" night so it didn't affect me much.

[Voe]

2 minutes ago, ChopBam said:

Even if I wasn't roleblocked, I'd have had no action since the tracking only works every other night. I know you couldn't have known this, but I was musing to myself how ironic it was that I was blocked on my "off" night so it didn't affect me much.

In the end, you were a power role anyway.

We didn't think Town would get their full sheet lineup and some, while we were left with 1 player lacking.

[Category5]

Anon_Kat didn't really count as a player, let's be real.

[Voe]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Anon_Kat didn't really count as a player, let's be real.

He was a rifleman, though. Nothing of value was lost.

[ChopBam]

Just now, Category 5 Hurricane said:

Anon_Kat didn't really count as a player, let's be real.

Here's another person that Voe could have pushed a lynch off to. I was convinced Voe was town. He even voted iLTS the first day.

[OrangeP47]

I hope Louis now always suses Jeod instead of me

[Voe]

4 minutes ago, ChopBam said:

Here's another person that Voe could have pushed a lynch off to. I was convinced Voe was town. He even voted iLTS the first day.

Lynch iLTS -> NK FRAYDO -> Lynch Anon -> NK ChopBam

It's me, Shade, Retal and Piggy remaining.

Everyone had fired their guns, only I remain with a 100% stuck chance. The maths adds up to being thrown out of the airlock

[ChopBam]

1 minute ago, Voe said:

Lynch iLTS -> NK FRAYDO -> Lynch Anon -> NK ChopBam

It's me, Shade, Retal and Piggy remaining.

Everyone had fired their guns, only I remain with a 100% stuck chance. The maths adds up to being thrown out of the airlock

You might have been able to lynch Shade, he also got stuck.

[Category5]

Well, Shade had a stuck result as well. Counterclaim Cop?

[Voe]

Just now, ChopBam said:

You might have been able to lynch Shade, he also got stuck.

I missed that boat when I didn't counterclaim him start of Day 3. Which i should have done and probably would, if i woke up to the thread and the scumdoc BEFORE Jeod threw himself underneath the train.

[Killing_You]

GAME OVER

With tensions mounting, one brave soul opens fire on the one who killed the medic on the previous day. It wasn't long before the accomplices were rooted out, and they surrendered without a further fight.

iLikeToSnipe, the Mutant Hijacker, has surrendered!
Voe, the Chameleon Spy, has surrendered!

 MISSION ACCOMPLISHED  Congratulations to all the GDI players!

Special thanks to @Nodlied, as my balance consultant for this game!

ROLESI'll give my opinion on the roles and the players who played them in one go, for simplicity.

LIGHT INFANTRY (Anon_Kat, Retaliation, Louis, Mojoman, Category 5 Hurricane)
The five "vanilla Town" players. Pretty bog standard, a direct port of APB'S Rifle Soldiers, and I think they worked pretty well. 
Category 5 was the best player out of these five, but that's to be expected. Retaliation didn't do a bad job, even scumreading two scum members at the end of D2. Mojoman and Louis were chaotic elements, but surprisingly not as detrimental as it seemed. Anon_Kat, perhaps you should read some past Mafias to get a better idea of what to do and what to say. APB1 was my study guide, so perhaps you could look at that.

OFFICER (Shade939)
Again, copy/pasta from APB's Starshina, though it worked well here. I think Shade could've benefitted from not playing the numbers game so hard, and I think he could've claimed to save Irish (unless his weapon stuck, which it did), but ultimately, not too terrible.

RIOT TROOPER (FRAYDO)
This was one role that was depowered from APB Mafia, being a jailer instead of combo jailer/rolecop. Fairly balanced overall, I think, and FRAYDO not submitting his action N1 accidentally led to scum's downfall. Funnily enough, I predicted that FRAYDO would be Town's ace-in-the-hole.

UMAGON (ChopBam)
You know the drill. Kinda Copy/Pasta from APB's Sniper, except seeing who people visited instead of what action they took. I thought that was better balanced, and it led to some interesting situations where Chop had Snipe cleared in his mind, before using it as incriminating evidence when the time was right.

MEDIC (TheIrishMan)
Truth be told, this was the role I was most concerned about given APB didn't have a Town doc. But surprisingly, it didn't impact the game as much as I was worried about. Irish didn't do too bad, although claiming on the shot would've helped his case, especially if Shade backed him up.

JUMPJET (OrangeP47)
Orange got the secret role for this game; the JumpJet. I wasn't sure how to incorporate this unit, until I looked on the Wiki, discovered the Commuter, and decided to play around with it. I've always toyed with the idea of a role that had two different "states" it could toggle between. It was a fascinating experiment. Too bad Scum used neurotoxing on the one night Orange would've been vulnerable to it.

CHAMELEON SPY (Voe)
Yet again ported over from APB's Spy, though I wasn't sure if APB Spy doubled as a rolecop or not. I left it out this time since Town had no rolecop of their own, and it likely would've given Scum too many tools to work with. Maybe I'll restore the ability next game, maybe I won't. Depends on how I feel. As for Voe, I honestly thought he would've been in a good position to win until Snipe misplayed his hand.

TOXIN TROOPER (Jeod)
Scum's hyperlethal role, this was also a bit of an experiment. See, it was a unique brand of unstoppable kill in that it resolved before any other action rather than simply punching through roleblocks and doctor abilities. This would've been critical for killing the JumpJet before it took off and became the only role ingame immune to it, while also guaranteeing an early kill. Overall, I think this experiment was a marginal success.

MUTANT HIJACKER (iLikeToSnipe)
This was a strange one, as I'm not sure how well it fits into the overall balance considering it failed both nights. Snipe played the part well for the most part, however assuming his action failing was due to being blocked led to his downfall. Truth be told, I wasn't sure how to handle the action resolution initially, and the decision to report the action as a simple failure was advice I took from Nodlied.

CONCLUSIONOverall, despite some odd issues here and there, I'm willing to call this a success. It was refreshing to see the conversations revolve around scumhunting more than mechanics. I also think my approach was successful, as I was deliberate in keeping information to a minimum, particularly with action resolutions. I also think the element of uncertainty was at just the right level; having just enough information to get the conversation going, but not so much that players could latch onto something with 100% certainty

Like Secret Invasion and Netflix Basics, this game ended D3 with a Town victory. Unlike those games, I think this went over well. I look forward to running TSR 2 sometime next year. And with this format, setup will be easy. If someone else wants to go first, though, be my guest. Until then, I'll be ready and waiting.

CVC AT THE TOP WILL HAVE LINKS TO THE DOCS AND MASTER SPREADSHEET

[ChopBam]

So, why did he throw the game anyway?

[Retaliation]

Would have been too late to claim cop. The winning play there is to appeal to my desire to not win with math and argue better than Shade/Louis.

It would have been a long shot, but possible.

[OrangeP47]

2 minutes ago, ChopBam said:

So, why did he throw the game anyway?

I haven't read the scum doc, but it looked like Jeod might be going down anyway.  If he claimed cop and baited the real cop, that'd at least be some utility before dying.  His execuition just had some missteps.

[Mojoman]

I TAKE CREDIT FOR TOWN WIN.