Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I stumbled across this today on Indie-db. pretty much the same thing as APB isn't it? Does anyone know anything about it? http://www.indiedb.com/games/red-alert-fps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokite_Wolf Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 A project of zunnie's that nothing much came out of :/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Oh didn't realise it was Zunnie! The models looked pretty good, not sure what I would've changed from APB tbh, it's pretty solid as it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 By solid, do you mean "solidly dead"? Because it's pretty dead. There's a lot of reasons for that I'm sure anyone here would love to elaborate on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Was there some reason in particular to have two Red Alert based FPS's being developed in parallel? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 By solid, do you mean "solidly dead"? Because it's pretty dead. There's a lot of reasons for that I'm sure anyone here would love to elaborate on. Solid game. Which it is... Dead or not, it's quality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I disagree completely. Compared to many other free endeavors that are currently available, APB looks incredibly dated. From an artist's perspective, the textures lack detail, the models aren't accurate to the source material, and as a game designer: the gameplay isn't fun. There's varying levels of quality, of course. But it's definitely not high quality, or even moderate. It's medium-low quality and this is objectively comparing it to anything else that exists within its class. It's dead because it isn't enjoyable. One could also argue that it's dead because it looks old, but that's merely a contributing factor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's dead because it isn't enjoyable. One could also argue that it's dead because it looks old, but that's merely a contributing factor. ^ This: entirely subjective. Not even going to debate it with you as there is still a semi-active community who do enjoy playing. I enjoy knocking one out with my girlfriends mum's underwear on my head, while listening to bohemian rhapsody... I suspect this is something you wouldn't find enjoyable? That's opinions for ya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 By "semi-active community" are you referring to the minuscule amount of people who play? Because it averages, at most, 1-2 players per week IIRC. That isn't much of a community by any objective standard. The best thing you can do for APB is to criticize it and offer suggestions for it to improve. To do otherwise is condemning it to its continued existence on dwindling life support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerad2142 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's dead because it isn't enjoyable. One could also argue that it's dead because it looks old, but that's merely a contributing factor. Beings there are plenty of old and sometimes even ugly games that have a bigger fan base than APB I think its safe to say that the gameplay is the issue. I guess its possible with better PR they could get more people to play it, but beings Renegade still has ~50 people in a single server periodically through out the day I'd guess that it has more issues than just PR. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) By "semi-active community" are you referring to the minuscule amount of people who play? Because it averages, at most, 1-2 players per week IIRC. That isn't much of a community by any objective standard. The best thing you can do for APB is to criticize it and offer suggestions for it to improve. To do otherwise is condemning it to its continued existence on dwindling life support. regardless of any of this... I find it enjoyable... just like i find other weird shit enjoyable that other people probably dont... you literally cannot argue with this... also... what is it with this forum and digressing from the topic at hand... 8-) Edited March 31, 2015 by Shnappz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Arguing "I like it, so you can't argue with the fact that I like it" doesn't further a conversation. Your personal preferences aren't being debated. I don't care about what you enjoy playing - what I care about is what can be objectively measured. There is something wrong with APB that has destroyed its player base from the heights it experienced in 2004-2007 and nothing has changed that. Also, for what it's worth: you brought up APB and chatted with us about it. Even if you didn't, someone would because RA:FPS is difficult to discuss without bringing APB into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) because i'm not interested in debating why you think APB sucks... i've heard it all before..I'm really not interested in furthering a conversation on it. Start a topic on it if you want? Or maybe you can continue the discussion i started on BHP titled APB VS TSR? What i am interested in; is furthering a conversation about the motivations behind RA: FPS. Yes APB is clearly going to be mentioned in this discussion, but that does not mean it has to end up in a discussion about what's wrong or right with APB. Unless it turns out that in fact the motivation behind RA:FPS what that zunnie thought APB sucked and that he could do a better job... Edited March 31, 2015 by Shnappz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 It's okay to not want a discussion on a subject. It's another to participate in that discussion, encourage that discussion, and then call for it to be stopped entirely because it's not going the direction that you want it to. What motivations do you expect to glean from us? No one here worked on RA:FPS. You would have to ask Zunnie for that information, and he doesn't post here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) *sigh* Yes, Ok Syn, I'll go ask Zunnie or something. If you read my original post, I asked one simple question, if anyone knew anything about it. It's a w3d mod, this is w3d hub... I'll go ask on another w3d based forum... Edited March 31, 2015 by Shnappz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aprime Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Unless it turns out that in fact the motivation behind RA:FPS what that zunnie thought APB sucked and that he could do a better job... If the maps with the vehicular overload on MP's map cycle are any indication of what that would produce; erhm. I mean, sure, it's kinda fun...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWA Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 *sigh* Yes, Ok Syn, I'll go ask Zunnie or something. If you read my original post, I asked one simple question, if anyone knew anything about it. It's a w3d mod, this is w3d hub... I'll go ask on another w3d based forum... zunnie started this because he was frustrated with the APB developers at the time. Now that he's friendly with APB again, there's no reason for the game to exist any more. At the time it was funny because this appeared on Renforums. NSFW by the way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 That right there OWA, is a work of genius. Please tell me who did that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauler Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I was around MPF while this was going on... Looks like it did back then but this time with a Imperial age tank.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 A guy by the name of nikki6ixx made that image. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aprime Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) zunnie started this because he was frustrated with the APB developers at the time. Now that he's friendly with APB again, there's no reason for the game to exist any more. Yet he denied its demise *to Chronojam* on the page's comments section a little over a year ago. Has anything changed? For instance, I know a lot of the content has been recycled into Ren MP maps. Edited April 1, 2015 by Aprime 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWA Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 zunnie started this because he was frustrated with the APB developers at the time. Now that he's friendly with APB again, there's no reason for the game to exist any more. Yet he denied its demise *to Chronojam* on the page's comments section a little over a year ago. Has anything changed? For instance, I know a lot of the content has been recycled into Ren MP maps. I heard rumblings that the game had ceased development. You could pretty much see it when zunnie started making co-op maps for APB again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnappz Posted April 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 had to read that comic strip again... yep was still just as funny as last night! Interesting to know though... it does make me giggle how much internet drama there is focused around things like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerm Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I've seen some of those models before. I thought it was a very early internal alpha for APB, I don't know. Did APB ever have red heavy tanks in any public or internal builds? I didn't start playing until it hit gamma. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killing_You Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not without the fan made texture pack. Pre gamma, they were all black, and then Gamma introduced different color settings for different environments. Which, to be honest, was pretty awesome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerm Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Yeah, I remember that much. First discovered APB just before the update where they removed snipers from the purchase menu. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I've seen some of those models before. I thought it was a very early internal alpha for APB, I don't know. Did APB ever have red heavy tanks in any public or internal builds? I didn't start playing until it hit gamma. IIRC, the earliest versions of the project had team-colored vehicles. This was 2002, though, so I don't think anyone would even have the project files for that anymore. I've long since lost that stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I've seen some of those models before. I thought it was a very early internal alpha for APB, I don't know. Did APB ever have red heavy tanks in any public or internal builds? I didn't start playing until it hit gamma. IIRC, the earliest versions of the project had team-colored vehicles. This was 2002, though, so I don't think anyone would even have the project files for that anymore. I've long since lost that stuff. I have a "Renalert 900.zip" : 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aprime Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) I've seen some of those models before. I thought it was a very early internal alpha for APB, I don't know. Did APB ever have red heavy tanks in any public or internal builds? I didn't start playing until it hit gamma. IIRC, the earliest versions of the project had team-colored vehicles. This was 2002, though, so I don't think anyone would even have the project files for that anymore. I've long since lost that stuff. What was the name of that early map with the two bases separated by a village again? It was a pretty flat map and I don't remember it having alternative entry points for the bases or tunnels. Edited April 4, 2015 by Aprime 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopBam Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) What was the name of that early map with the two bases separated by a village again? It was a pretty flat map and I don't remember it having alternative entry points for the bases or tunnels. Are you referring to Camos Crossing? Edited April 4, 2015 by ChopBam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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