Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 RULES OF THE MATCH: This match is a 1-on-1. Spectators may comment, but try not to spam. I will resolve a turn as soon as I see both moves have been taken. If either battle participant does not make a move within 3 hours of their last move, they will forfeit the match. Good luck! FRAYDO sent out Gastly (30 HP)! Sunflower sent out Dratini (41 HP)! Battle participants may now post their moves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Gastly?! You've gotta be kidding! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just to clarify the first move on the left on the chart is 1 and the last on the right is 4? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Sunflower said: Just to clarify the first move on the left on the chart is 1 and the last on the right is 4? Correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sunflower said: Gastly?! You've gotta be kidding! Well, don’t chicken out now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Shade939 said: Well, don’t chicken out now. Get back in the koi pond, you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 YIKES well ummmm no need to worry Dratini! We... uhhh... got this! maybe Use MOVE 2! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sunflower said: YIKES well ummmm no need to worry Dratini! We... uhhh... got this! maybe Use MOVE 2! @FRAYDO has 2 hours and 20 minutes to make a move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jeod said: @FRAYDO has 2 hours and 20 minutes to make a move. To be fair, it'd probably be better to randomly select what move he uses rather than outright costing him the match and his Pokemon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Shade939 said: To be fair, it'd probably be better to randomly select what move he uses rather than outright costing him the match and his Pokemon. I could, but that would still give him the chance to win without having to participate. That's not fair to Sunflower. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Alternatively, I could give him a 2 hour window (from hammer), and if he doesn't show, I penalize him by cutting his Pokemon's HP in half and swap the challenger to the runner-up--Shade, in this case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeod said: Alternatively, I could give him a 2 hour window (from hammer), and if he doesn't show, I penalize him by cutting his Pokemon's HP in half and swap the challenger to the runner-up--Shade, in this case. That might be a bit too much meddaling. I think the 3 hour rule would be fair, IF it was disclosed beforehand instead of being a surprise for him. Also in the future the ability to say "If I'm picked, I won't be home until X o'clock", as some people are like never here at hammer (for good reasons) and they'd never be able to participate if it was always 3 hours from hammer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Yep, the biggest problem is not everyone can post within that time frame, so they effectively couldn't play this game then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: That might be a bit too much meddaling. I think the 3 hour rule would be fair, IF it was disclosed beforehand instead of being a surprise for him. Also in the future the ability to say "If I'm picked, I won't be home until X o'clock", as some people are like never here at hammer (for good reasons) and they'd never be able to participate if it was always 3 hours from hammer. Just now, Shade939 said: Yep, the biggest problem is not everyone can post within that time frame, so they effectively couldn't play this game then. Which is precisely why I think the alternative is fair. One of his roster is revealed and loses half its HP, and his opponent doesn't get a free victory because I move to the runner-up challenger. Everyone here knew when they signed up that they would need to be around for the battle phase. There isn't an overwhelming excuse for those that can't make it and didn't say so beforehand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeod said: Which is precisely why I think the alternative is fair. One of his roster is revealed and loses half its HP, and his opponent doesn't get a free victory because I move to the runner-up challenger. Everyone here knew when they signed up that they would need to be around for the battle phase. There isn't an overwhelming excuse for those that can't make it and didn't say so beforehand. If you move it to the runner up you're basically playing the game by yourself, because our votes don't matter. Indeed, if we try and save someone, all the 1st place voter has to do is afk and all our effort is for not. That's a major loophole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Quite the conundrum, isn't it? I'd do it case-by-case, but I'll consider each possible course of action over the next few hours while waiting for FRAYDO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just fyi I'm going to be out of town all day tomorrow (won't be home until evening at the earliest) so I definitely need to finish up the battle tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 I mean, I guess the ideal thing would be to just let them take as long as they take, with the expectation people will be getting to them when they can. It would take the game off a fixed-schedule of 2 days day 1 day night, but for battles it might need to be done. If that screws up time for GMing later I think the least we can do is grant you a vacation for that, or have an extra long day. The best alternative I think would be a thing like losing 1 HP per hour not posted after a certain threshold (for example). It kind of balances things out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Regardless of how it goes down, no substitution should take place. That just creates too many perverse incentives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Honestly, the fairest thing you can do is have the non-present player play very badly by letting RNG determine their moves, or forcing them to use a preset move like Struggle. Otherwise we open up the possibility of being capable of heavily abusing the votes based on when a Player can actually be on to post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Shade939 said: Honestly, the fairest thing you can do is have the non-present player play very badly by letting RNG determine their moves, or forcing them to use a preset move like Struggle. Otherwise we open up the possibility of being capable of heavily abusing the votes based on when a Player can actually be on to post. Yeah, RNG determined moves would be a viable choice as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 And like, if Shade and I are agreeing on something, you know it can't be a terrible idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Yeah, RNG determined moves would be a viable choice as well. I think this is the best course of action. I will not, however, grant FRAYDO a victory point if rng gives him a win. I don't want players "feeling lucky" and going afk when they should be battling. FRAYDO still has an hour and 15 minutes to show up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Jeod said: I think this is the best course of action. I will not, however, grant FRAYDO a victory point if rng gives him a win. I don't want players "feeling lucky" and going afk when they should be battling. FRAYDO still has an hour and 15 minutes to show up. I'd find that acceptable. I'd still give FRAYDO *a bit* more time, seeing as it was a surprise he was under a time limit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 I mean I'd like to think we wouldn't have to worry about people on this forum pulling cheap tricks like what you guys are describing. >.> I don't mind whatever Jeod decides but just wanted to throw that out there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Sunflower said: I mean I'd like to think we wouldn't have to worry about people on this forum pulling cheap tricks like what you guys are describing. >.> I don't mind whatever Jeod decides but just wanted to throw that out there. I was thinking the same. Just because a loophole does exist doesn't mean we should assume it would be exploited. I like to think the players we have here are beyond such things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Sunflower said: I mean I'd like to think we wouldn't have to worry about people on this forum pulling cheap tricks like what you guys are describing. >.> I don't mind whatever Jeod decides but just wanted to throw that out there. Well like, it's not exactly fair to the person "saved" from the vote as well, or what if the vote was unanimous. It just has a lot of problems doing a substitute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade939 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sunflower said: I mean I'd like to think we wouldn't have to worry about people on this forum pulling cheap tricks like what you guys are describing. >.> I don't mind whatever Jeod decides but just wanted to throw that out there. It's also a problem of you don't want to vote for a player, since you know they won't be on in order to post during the battle phase though... So, suddenly, it becomes beneficial to not be on during the battle phase, and that's not even something you can always control or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeod Posted August 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 Caught him on Discord, work got busy for him. Working out a plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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